Anything positive abt 145 for a NH?
#11
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4-5 years ago people sat on reserve for 3-4 years doing two-leg commutes to fly Saabs and ATR's at $19/hr with upgrades being at 8+ years. Now reserve is 3 months to 1.5 year max? You're making $38/hr to hop straight into a jet and upgrade as soon as you have your 1000 hours. You have a flow to AA, sure it's not 2-3 years and you know what, it shouldn't be to go to a Legacy. If you think you have a better shot with UA's CPP or DL's DGI then go ahead and make the jump. I'm not trying to sound like a company man but I'm not sure as to where this mentality of entitlement that I should fly the 175 for $XX/hr and be at a Legacy in 24 months came from.
I will say this: it’s not their fault they feel this way and I believe this mentality is healthy for our airline to continue putting pressure on the company to improve our pay and QOL. Also, I blame a lot of flight schools for a lot of this too. They sell these guys that “oh you just gotta spend 2 years at a regional then it’s a guarantee you’ll be at a major”. The reality of this, as we all know, is far from the truth. And even with these mass retirements coming, it still will take a good amount of effort to get hired at a major. Flight time is only part of the package. Hence we see this influx of young guys and guys changing careers because of this supposed pilot shortage being sold to them.
The quick upgrade and short reserve time is coming to an end at many regionals as they begin to get staffed appropriately. There’s only a handful left that are short staffed and those airlines may not be around much longer but who knows.
#12
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There’s no excuse for stuffing hundreds of surplus pilots into the 145. The company should hire proportionately to anticipated need. No one has ever offered any explanation of why they don’t, and complaining about it is valid regardless of how awful the ATR days were. Why not send more FOs to the 175, and let everybody get a taste of rsv? Why roll out the red carpet on the 175 and shaft the others? Consensus cracking overkill on the relatively impotent union?
#13
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There’s no excuse for stuffing hundreds of surplus pilots into the 145. The company should hire proportionately to anticipated need. No one has ever offered any explanation of why they don’t, and complaining about it is valid regardless of how awful the ATR days were.
At any given moment management takes a snapshot of current fleet, incoming aircraft, outgoing aircraft and staffs accordingly.
We keep getting new announcements of more (previously unannounced) 176’s coming our way.
The company staffs for what they know at the time, not some crystal ball of an imaginary 175 fleet.
Take a step back 12-18 months, the way they staffed the 145 fleet made sense based on the fleet snapshot (and promised aircraft) then. Taking into account CRJ’s leaving and pilots flowing off the 145 to AA.
Throw in the ever increasing announcements of 175’s since and the original plan 18 months ago now doesn’t make sense 100%.
I’m sure the crew planners themselves wish they had a time machine to go back 18-24 months with the fleet plan they have today.
There’s your excuse. Blame big brother for drip feeding the above info to little brother.
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The simple answer is there has been more capacity for training on the 145 relative to the 175 for the amount of pilots the company thinks it needs.
The last class was all 145. They have slowed down on the 145 side, but certainly can’t stop. If they could train more on the 175, you would see more hiring.
I’m not saying it’s right, but someone who can make the decision does. The Envoy system is built on having an excess of reserves.
The last class was all 145. They have slowed down on the 145 side, but certainly can’t stop. If they could train more on the 175, you would see more hiring.
I’m not saying it’s right, but someone who can make the decision does. The Envoy system is built on having an excess of reserves.
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The simple answer is there has been more capacity for training on the 145 relative to the 175 for the amount of pilots the company thinks it needs.
The last class was all 145. They have slowed down on the 145 side, but certainly can’t stop. If they could train more on the 175, you would see more hiring.
I’m not saying it’s right, but someone who can make the decision does. The Envoy system is built on having an excess of reserves.
The last class was all 145. They have slowed down on the 145 side, but certainly can’t stop. If they could train more on the 175, you would see more hiring.
I’m not saying it’s right, but someone who can make the decision does. The Envoy system is built on having an excess of reserves.
They can stop. 145's are still being transferred to Piedmont. They are stacking people on an airplane that's already overstaffed for summer schedules.
The reality is this: The company seems to face no consequences for it's inefficiencies (from AA). Envoy has become the "junk drawer" of the Eagle flight portfolio. Throw trash in, pull odds and ends out. Other airlines don't have this and it really just speaks to how poor the management/planning is at AA/Envoy.
#17
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They can stop. 145's are still being transferred to Piedmont. They are stacking people on an airplane that's already overstaffed for summer schedules.
The reality is this: The company seems to face no consequences for it's inefficiencies (from AA). Envoy has become the "junk drawer" of the Eagle flight portfolio. Throw trash in, pull odds and ends out. Other airlines don't have this and it really just speaks to how poor the management/planning is at AA/Envoy.
The reality is this: The company seems to face no consequences for it's inefficiencies (from AA). Envoy has become the "junk drawer" of the Eagle flight portfolio. Throw trash in, pull odds and ends out. Other airlines don't have this and it really just speaks to how poor the management/planning is at AA/Envoy.
Please don't say Endeavor or Republic...
#18
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They can stop. 145's are still being transferred to Piedmont. They are stacking people on an airplane that's already overstaffed for summer schedules.
The reality is this: The company seems to face no consequences for it's inefficiencies (from AA). Envoy has become the "junk drawer" of the Eagle flight portfolio. Throw trash in, pull odds and ends out. Other airlines don't have this and it really just speaks to how poor the management/planning is at AA/Envoy.
The reality is this: The company seems to face no consequences for it's inefficiencies (from AA). Envoy has become the "junk drawer" of the Eagle flight portfolio. Throw trash in, pull odds and ends out. Other airlines don't have this and it really just speaks to how poor the management/planning is at AA/Envoy.
#19
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It can act as a damper to market forces allowing the company to be more flexible. This is all a hunch of course, but could be one reason of many as to why they are obsessed with overstaffing that jet.
The other likely scenario is that they know something we dont in terms of what is ahead.
#20
Anything positive abt 145 for a NH?
Fixed it for ya. AAG wants a flexible envoy to fly routes other FFD won’t. We get the backwash.
Also, AAG has said they want to be staffed for peak flying momentum’s. Having crews ready to be sent out to ride the waves.
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