Ramen4dinner

For those that get assigned the 145, especially those who are older and hoping to fly, work extra and move on, it's a pretty big morale killer... Is there anything positive to look forward to? between the no-flying, long reserve, unavailability of pick-up time on off days, and generally negative feedback its just really de-motivating.

All I can think of is by the time we actually hit our required time needed to upgrade, we will be senior enough to upgrade on the 175 and hold a line with good schedule. anything helps. TYIA

in2deep

Lots of time to drink beer at a crashpad with a bunch of random dudes. Thats about it.

People need to stop going to Envoy until things improve. Bottom pay, bottom QOL, bottom contract. The only thing worth while is flow, but if working at AA isn’t your plan, it doesn’t help.

Amansworld

Nope. Nodda. Zero. Garbage airplane.

Squirrel27

I would say that Envoy is notoriously cyclical with staffing. Huge growth on the 145 is projected for Chicago this summer. 145 lines is what Ric's email said. That's a lot of flying. Sure, some of it is coming from the NY base, but that still a lot of flying.

Lots of FOs are upgrading, lots of CAs are flowing or leaving otherwise, there will be movement. Maybe it's not 1 month of reserve like it was a few years ago, but there will be movement.

bitwiser

The best thing about getting assigned the 145 is that at least you didn't get the CRJ!

CaptJackSparrow

My best advice would be to stop and take a deep breath and relax. From your post history you seem pretty stressed out about the lack of reserve flying for FOs on the 145.

For now I would bid a base that you either live in or is the easiest commute for you. It will be a few bid cycles before you could hold a line in any base and a lot of flying will be shifted around bases or change in that time. So I would hold off bidding to another base until the time gets closer to where you look at junior line holders in each base and see where you stack up then pull the trigger.

But also keep in mind there’s a lot of FOs that will likely be doing the same thing, chasing bases to hold a line. Some of which may be senior to you. So while it may look like you’d hold a line in X amount of months, if too many senior guys come in on top then you’re still on reserve. This was reminiscent a few bids back where a good chunk of FOs bid to NYC only to have people more senior to them do the same thing AND lines unexpectedly dropped. So essentially folks that were living in base on reserve were now commuting to reserve. And paying monthly for a crash pad now.

I would suggest going along for the ride while you are on reserve. Then once you hold a line go all out. If flying 100 hours a month out the gate is your intentions then perhaps a regional with that type of QOL would be better suited (I.e.:Mesa). You can expect about 20 hours a month with little OT on reserve here. I wouldn’t stress out over it. Being on reserve and picking up a short turn worth 2 or 3 hours of OT every so often is not going to help you get that 1,000 hours to be eligible for upgrade. If you’re commuting and trying to get little bits of OT it will only serve to burn you out faster and realistically gets you nowhere if you’re just doing it for the flight time. What you need is a line and that’s completely dependent on seniority. “Expect the worst and hope for the best”

Also, like other guys have said, the 145 has been pretty stagnant for awhile now. I would expect movement to improve. There’s lots of FOs upgrading soon and summer flying is around the corner.

wiz5422

Stop hitching and be glad you have a job flying planes, while being paid more then at any other time here. Plus you are flying a jet not the ATR.

If you are so upset about the 145, Why did you come here knowing you had a chance of getting the 145? You knew the pay, the QOL posted on these forums. If you wanted the 175 why didn't you go to Republic or Compass? So many of you new hires worry about the wrong stuff. Live in base, enjoy life and wait your time. PIC is not required anymore to get hired like it was in the past when it took 8 plus years to even upgrade.

This industry is all about timing, enjoy what you get and don't throw a fit. You all sound like my damn kids.....nothing makes you happy.

Like another post said, if you all would stop coming here for a short while it will force management hand. SHORT TERM PAIN FOR LONG TERM GAIN. We are really our own worst enemy in this industry.

SilentLurker

Dito the previous two posts...

Before I came here over two yrs ago, my decision making evaluation on selecting a regional was based on one question:
If the airline industry froze and no flow occurred at Eagle, would I still go to Eagle vs the other regionals I received offers from. My answer at that time was yes I would still come here.

Fast forward today not so much,. for the same reason I could not in my right conscious go to PSA. This industry is bigger than Marsha Marsha Marsha. It’s crazy how people still flock here just for a 9 year flow! I want to laugh but it’s not even funny.

UAL’s CPP carriers are a much faster way to a major.

So come here and lay in the bed you made. I don’t want to hear complaints of snake bites when u saw the commotion, read the reviews, and heard the hisses under the sheets before you laid down.

speedbrakearmed

4-5 years ago people sat on reserve for 3-4 years doing two-leg commutes to fly Saabs and ATR's at $19/hr with upgrades being at 8+ years. Now reserve is 3 months to 1.5 year max? You're making $38/hr to hop straight into a jet and upgrade as soon as you have your 1000 hours. You have a flow to AA, sure it's not 2-3 years and you know what, it shouldn't be to go to a Legacy. If you think you have a better shot with UA's CPP or DL's DGI then go ahead and make the jump. I'm not trying to sound like a company man but I'm not sure as to where this mentality of entitlement that I should fly the 175 for $XX/hr and be at a Legacy in 24 months came from.

NoValueAviator

Well, I’ve been “flying” the 145 for a year now (as you know, we don’t actually fly it much) and looking for a silver lining and I honestly haven’t been able to find one. Some people say it’s a good starter jet compared to the 175 because you won’t get coddled by autothrottles and you’ll have to do STARs and RNAV approaches designed for coupled VNAV... without coupled VNAV.