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I've been looking at which regional to go to. Envoy, Piedmont, or PSA? Looking at doing the cadet program at whichever one I go to, to help with this student loan. Currently 20 years old and flight instructing. I have my four-year degree and my end goal is to fly to American. What're your opinions?

Go to Endeavor 😂

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In all honesty, Envoy is a solid pick right now because we are growing. You won’t see as high of pay here currently since we keep getting guys through the door. I was a cadet as well so I understand where you’re coming from as well as the destination to American which is pretty awesome. But just keep in mind if money is a factor for you then neither WO is a good choice at the moment.

You’ll most likely get the 175 since that’s what most classes are offering but beware there are random 145 only classes that have been dished out, if fleet is a deciding factor for you.

Reserve time, the closest you’ll be off is around 6 months if you are 175 in ORD. Elsewhere it’s longer but also reserve time is variable so also keep that in mind.

We have a very solid training program in my opinion. I had no delays whatsoever.

Hope this helps!

Go into the military, get a flying slot, get to AA before you would by being at a WO regional. Seriously. You're looking at 8-9 years before you'd flow.

Go into the Airforce active duty fly fighter jets or C-5’s. Specifics are better because you could go to the army get a flying slot and fly helicopters. Then you would be at a regional even after the military.

You’re 20 and ready have a four year degree? That’s pretty impressive.

I was thinking the same thing. To get a 4 year degree in two years you’re looking at 21 credit semesters.

That in and of itself is doable, but how would you manage to get your ratings at the same time?

Its possible, I gradjiated in 3 years with a bachelors just before my 21st birthday. All ratings except private while maintaining a job.

A lot of states have programs that let you take community college courses in high school. In Washington State it’s called Running Start. You can get a lot of the basic freshman and sophomore college core requirements out of the way and a two year associates degree by the time you graduate from high school and if you pick the right corses pretty much all the credits transfer. The downside is that you then start college as a junior and will need to IMMEDIATELY declare a major, at least at the state schools. Still, for someone really sure where you are going in life, it does get you graduated by age 20.

Hey if doogie wants to come here, let him come here .

This isn't new either. I'm in my 40s and did a version of this when I was in high school (though not enough to be a junior when I hit college but there were kids at my high school who did). My oldest son is now doing it and we live in a different state. Surprised it's not just an accepted possibility.

He’s a direct descendant of Tim Martins

Used to work with that moron. Everything out of his mouth is a lie. He gave people "BFRs" without a CFI Cert...

Lol where do you live/want to live? That makes the choice between the wholly-owneds easy.

I'm from the Charlotte area and moved out to PHX to flight instruct. Don't mind moving to any location, but Charlotte would be nice.

Live in base. If you want CLT then you’ve answered your question. Just remember that you’ll be on reserve in CLT a bit longer, and once you upgrade you’ll have to go to a different base until you can hold it again in the left seat. Don’t commute for a regional. Especially on a hub to hub route like DFW-CLT or ORD-CLT.

Don't go to PDT. PSA or Envoy are different and have their own pros and cons. Once you sift through the differences then make a choice based on your own personal criteria. At this point in time it would be hard press to say one is better than the other. IMO.

I have no experience with any AA WO, but I met a PDT new hire who came on property in February 2018 who was starting their first sim session ... in October.

I would certainly press for info on training backups, but that’s a good question of any potential employer.

Head on over to PSA (or Piedmont if you like the idea of sitting at home for a year and getting paid before they can get you in the sims).

Honestly, if you're a flow or no kinda pilot, I don't see anything wrong with Piedmont. Months and months and months at home waiting on training while getting paid and also on the seniority list? I can think of worse things really.

Right up until they actually have to start work under their contract.

The delay in training is the same for virtually everyone there, so it’s not like it’s a bump in seniority at all.

No. But you're moving toward your flow date all the same while no risk to yourself at all AND you're sitting at home with your family friends or whatever you value with your free time. Maybe you still work at something else.

It's why I said "if you're a flow or no kinda pilot".

Based on the companies actions, asking us to take concessions just to keep negotiating, DONT COME TO ENVOY.

The WOs are in the ****ter right now. The only thing separating them from any other bottom tier regional is the flow.

And unfortunately, it's working. Guys are flocking to the WOs in hopes of cashing in an IOU for a mainline job, however far off into the future it might be. It really is quite shocking to me when talking to the new FOs I fly with and here them talk as if they've already resigned to the fact that they're just gonna sit tight here and wait however long it takes to flow. Incredible.

The sad thing is in 6 years the crest of the hiring wave will be long gone. Sure, they’ll eventually get to mainline. But they’ll be forever reserve and forever FO’s with major career stagnation.


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Same with the DECs, some with over five figure experience in many different types of aircraft and facets of the industry. I talked to one DEC who was at Endeavor for eight years but came here for the flow. Why would the company give us anything when classes are full and they’re hitting their hiring goals?

It's harder to get hired big 6 OTS than it seems.