Would you recommend flying for Envoy?
04-02-2019, 06:52 PM
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Would you recommend flying for Envoy?
I've still got a couple years of training and flight instructing left to do, but i'm currently comparing Envoy and Skywest as potential airlines to start out with. The Skywest forum seems pretty positive overall, the Envoy forum on the other hand... not so much. So, Envoy pilots, would you recommend flying here?
04-02-2019, 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerZ
I've still got a couple years of training and flight instructing left to do, but i'm currently comparing Envoy and Skywest as potential airlines to start out with. The Skywest forum seems pretty positive overall, the Envoy forum on the other hand... not so much. So, Envoy pilots, would you recommend flying here?
So much is changing so quickly that it’s impossible to give any advice that far out.
04-02-2019, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerZ
Fair enough, what would you say about how things sit right now?
They are ok. I was in your position a few years ago and I still think Envoy is better, so much that I commute from MSP. They have pay rules that aren’t as good despite the higher pay rate and I believe they think it’s normal so they are happy go lucky as ever.
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04-03-2019, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
They are ok. I was in your position a few years ago and I still think Envoy is better, so much that I commute from MSP. They have pay rules that aren’t as good despite the higher pay rate and I believe they think it’s normal so they are happy go lucky as ever.
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04-03-2019, 04:37 AM
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Hi. Honestly, anything could change in 2 years. We could go from being tied for last place in regional compensation to being among the best in that time. A lot of career oriented guys want to act like compensation doesn’t matter, and to me there are more important things, but when you are looking at your $2400/mo take home and comparing it to a SKYW guys $5600 (both 2nd YR FOs) it is very demoralizing. If Iwere asked to decide today about where to go, Envoy would not even make my top 5.
Besides that, there’s the fact that our management is actively contemptuous of us. Like they legitimately hate their pilots. Not a healthy environment at all, and the symptoms continue to stack up.
Besides that, there’s the fact that our management is actively contemptuous of us. Like they legitimately hate their pilots. Not a healthy environment at all, and the symptoms continue to stack up.
04-03-2019, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyerZ
Fair enough, what would you say about how things sit right now?
04-03-2019, 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by UnderCenter
You want to enlighten us about how Skywest has worse pay rules? You mean like having 4:12 MDG, 1:2 duty rigs, 1:4 trip rigs, 76 hour monthly guarantee, 130% over 87 hours awarded, $1.95 per diem, holiday pay even if we don’t work the holiday, pilot profit sharing, performance bonuses, and company profit sharing? You mean those pay rules???
04-03-2019, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by bh539
Lol skywest pilots are always seething when met with non koolaid drinkers
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