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#1
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No DEC
Been reading posts for some time and well aware of concerns. Still, Envoy for me was the best way to go.
Starting Monday and wanted to know about bidding. The questions is old but the details are fresh. As you know DEC is no longer for the time being. Would like to bid ORD (junior I know), but unsure as to equipment. If I take the 175 (if available), as an FO would I keep it when I upgrade or do I drop to the 145? Better to bid 145 and stay there? Upgrades predicted at less than six months. Guess that could go down to one month too.
My class seniority should be fairly high. Thanks!
Starting Monday and wanted to know about bidding. The questions is old but the details are fresh. As you know DEC is no longer for the time being. Would like to bid ORD (junior I know), but unsure as to equipment. If I take the 175 (if available), as an FO would I keep it when I upgrade or do I drop to the 145? Better to bid 145 and stay there? Upgrades predicted at less than six months. Guess that could go down to one month too.
My class seniority should be fairly high. Thanks!
#2
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
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Been reading posts for some time and well aware of concerns. Still, Envoy for me was the best way to go.
Starting Monday and wanted to know about bidding. The questions is old but the details are fresh. As you know DEC is no longer for the time being. Would like to bid ORD (junior I know), but unsure as to equipment. If I take the 175 (if available), as an FO would I keep it when I upgrade or do I drop to the 145? Better to bid 145 and stay there? Upgrades predicted at less than six months. Guess that could go down to one month too.
My class seniority should be fairly high. Thanks!
Starting Monday and wanted to know about bidding. The questions is old but the details are fresh. As you know DEC is no longer for the time being. Would like to bid ORD (junior I know), but unsure as to equipment. If I take the 175 (if available), as an FO would I keep it when I upgrade or do I drop to the 145? Better to bid 145 and stay there? Upgrades predicted at less than six months. Guess that could go down to one month too.
My class seniority should be fairly high. Thanks!
#3
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
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Been reading posts for some time and well aware of concerns. Still, Envoy for me was the best way to go.
Starting Monday and wanted to know about bidding. The questions is old but the details are fresh. As you know DEC is no longer for the time being. Would like to bid ORD (junior I know), but unsure as to equipment. If I take the 175 (if available), as an FO would I keep it when I upgrade or do I drop to the 145? Better to bid 145 and stay there? Upgrades predicted at less than six months. Guess that could go down to one month too.
My class seniority should be fairly high. Thanks!
Starting Monday and wanted to know about bidding. The questions is old but the details are fresh. As you know DEC is no longer for the time being. Would like to bid ORD (junior I know), but unsure as to equipment. If I take the 175 (if available), as an FO would I keep it when I upgrade or do I drop to the 145? Better to bid 145 and stay there? Upgrades predicted at less than six months. Guess that could go down to one month too.
My class seniority should be fairly high. Thanks!
In any case, you don’t really provide enough details to give great advice. Ultimately, pick whatever aircraft that has a base to where you don’t have to commute. If you MUST commute, get the 175 if you can due to the shortest reserve for FO. I don’t know about ORD but in my base (DFW) CA 145 lineholders are significantly junior to CA 175 lineholds. If it’s the same in the base you want to work at, upgrade to the 145.
You don’t want to commute to reserve.
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Thanks for posts.
I’m not a cadet, so I know I’m behind them. Have 950 qualifying hours - so fairly high seniority behind cadets. Was originally told I would be DEC, but they say they have their quota of CAs now, so I come in as a NEC (near entry) - means an FO with CA bonus and upgrade when seniority hits.
Will be commuting from STL - hence wanting ORD. The 175 sounds great, but QOL and Base seems a higher priority for me now. Really trying to grasp the seat lock/displacement stuff. Haven’t been exposed to how it works at Envoy.
I’m not a cadet, so I know I’m behind them. Have 950 qualifying hours - so fairly high seniority behind cadets. Was originally told I would be DEC, but they say they have their quota of CAs now, so I come in as a NEC (near entry) - means an FO with CA bonus and upgrade when seniority hits.
Will be commuting from STL - hence wanting ORD. The 175 sounds great, but QOL and Base seems a higher priority for me now. Really trying to grasp the seat lock/displacement stuff. Haven’t been exposed to how it works at Envoy.
#5
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
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Thanks for posts.
I’m not a cadet, so I know I’m behind them. Have 950 qualifying hours - so fairly high seniority behind cadets. Was originally told I would be DEC, but they say they have their quota of CAs now, so I come in as a NEC (near entry) - means an FO with CA bonus and upgrade when seniority hits.
Will be commuting from STL - hence wanting ORD. The 175 sounds great, but QOL and Base seems a higher priority for me now. Really trying to grasp the seat lock/displacement stuff. Haven’t been exposed to how it works at Envoy.
I’m not a cadet, so I know I’m behind them. Have 950 qualifying hours - so fairly high seniority behind cadets. Was originally told I would be DEC, but they say they have their quota of CAs now, so I come in as a NEC (near entry) - means an FO with CA bonus and upgrade when seniority hits.
Will be commuting from STL - hence wanting ORD. The 175 sounds great, but QOL and Base seems a higher priority for me now. Really trying to grasp the seat lock/displacement stuff. Haven’t been exposed to how it works at Envoy.
Displacement-movement that is not your choice. You have the time, so again, YOU WILL be forced to captain in the next vacancy. They are the beginning of every quarter, so around first week of July. You will only have seniority for the 145 as captain, likely ORD, but that’s where you want. You WILL be on reserve for the next 16-24 months until your peer group gets hours to upgrade.
A displacement means you are not equipment locked. You can choose to ACCEPT an equipment lock, which will get you an extra five hours pay for 24 months. (Duration of the lock) It will likely be close to that long before you have seniority to hold 175, so you might as well take advantage of it.
One small bright spot to initial on 175 and upgrade on 145. The upgrade would be long term, so it will use up about a month of time you would otherwise be on reserve. Is a second consecutive long term worth that price? Only you can decide that one.
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
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Thanks for posts.
I’m not a cadet, so I know I’m behind them. Have 950 qualifying hours - so fairly high seniority behind cadets. Was originally told I would be DEC, but they say they have their quota of CAs now, so I come in as a NEC (near entry) - means an FO with CA bonus and upgrade when seniority hits.
Will be commuting from STL - hence wanting ORD. The 175 sounds great, but QOL and Base seems a higher priority for me now. Really trying to grasp the seat lock/displacement stuff. Haven’t been exposed to how it works at Envoy.
I’m not a cadet, so I know I’m behind them. Have 950 qualifying hours - so fairly high seniority behind cadets. Was originally told I would be DEC, but they say they have their quota of CAs now, so I come in as a NEC (near entry) - means an FO with CA bonus and upgrade when seniority hits.
Will be commuting from STL - hence wanting ORD. The 175 sounds great, but QOL and Base seems a higher priority for me now. Really trying to grasp the seat lock/displacement stuff. Haven’t been exposed to how it works at Envoy.
#7
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Why would you come to Envoy as essentially a DEC without the extra money? There will be absolutely no one below you when you get displaced because the DEC hiring has stopped. Have you read the complaints about our reserve system? Why would you do that to yourself? I’m sure you have reasons, but I hope you know what you are getting into. You might spend that FO bonus and get yourself locked into multiple years of commuting to reserve. Talk to someone who has commuted to reserve here before you cash that check.
#8
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Obviously you have your reasons, but for wanting the be ORD based and having prior Part 121 experience, I'm surprised you didn't go for SkyWest. They'll pay you year-for-year based on your previous 121 time. If you're coming here for the flow (which I suspect you might), the company doesn't exactly have the most honest metrics for prediction ... but I think you know that.
Good luck in class on Monday. If I were in your shoes, I'd take the 145 -- that way, when they displace you to 145 CA in the very near future, you can continue on one airplane and then bid into the 175 as a captain once a vacancy pops up.
Good luck in class on Monday. If I were in your shoes, I'd take the 145 -- that way, when they displace you to 145 CA in the very near future, you can continue on one airplane and then bid into the 175 as a captain once a vacancy pops up.
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Why would you come to Envoy as essentially a DEC without the extra money? There will be absolutely no one below you when you get displaced because the DEC hiring has stopped. Have you read the complaints about our reserve system? Why would you do that to yourself? I’m sure you have reasons, but I hope you know what you are getting into. You might spend that FO bonus and get yourself locked into multiple years of commuting to reserve. Talk to someone who has commuted to reserve here before you cash that check.
#10
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Joined APC: May 2019
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If you decide to come here, you will be commuting to reserve for 1.5-2 years ... I would think very hard considering our current reserve system.
You will essentially on a 5 on 3 off schedule and more than likely commuting to and from work on your off days, leaving you with 1 true off day per week ... let that sink in ...
You will either start with a 0400am RAP or 0600am STBY for your first day which means you have to come the day prior and lately peeps have been flying on their last day past the time their last flight home left ...
Again, let that sink in and decide if that is what you want to do for the next 2 years potentially ...
You will essentially on a 5 on 3 off schedule and more than likely commuting to and from work on your off days, leaving you with 1 true off day per week ... let that sink in ...
You will either start with a 0400am RAP or 0600am STBY for your first day which means you have to come the day prior and lately peeps have been flying on their last day past the time their last flight home left ...
Again, let that sink in and decide if that is what you want to do for the next 2 years potentially ...
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