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Old 06-16-2019, 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by fatman View Post
C’mon bro. We all know how to play the game. The idea is to not post the rules.
This. Safety is our number one tenet here at Envoy. Look at each part of our operation and ensure it is being done in the safest way possible.
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Old 06-16-2019, 07:10 AM
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Originally Posted by rld1k View Post
On the plus side we got a new recruiting vid from swag martyn®
Can’t wait to see him on the jetbridge.
Ohhhhhh I can’t wait.
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Old 06-16-2019, 07:34 AM
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Old 06-16-2019, 07:45 AM
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Lots of technically terms and stuff is being thrown around on here. In simple terms here is a short description of what went on the past few months / weeks leading up to yesterday’s union email for people observing from the outside.

1) In May after PSA announced their new pay rates our union went to work negotiating with the company for a similar or better raise.

2) initially the company wanted a laundry list of concessions (good things we have in our contract that they want us to give up) for a mediocre pay increase

3) things went back and forth but not much progress was made.

4) Piedmont announces their raises, and it puts more pressure on our company to make a deal with our union.

5) this week (the week of june 10) the union makes progress and reaches a deal with the company for some of the highlights listed below:

A) pay raises slightly larger than PSA’s with retroactive pay back to May 15
B) Pay our of sick balance upon flow to AA or retirement (currently it goes in the garbage if you flow or retire)
C) improved reserve rules including an increase in days off and more predictability
D) lower pilot healthcare costs
E) Several Letters of Intent and agreements including Grievance Settlements which would provide a remedy for the affected pilots

6) Friday June 14 the new agreement is written and ready to be ratified and the company in the later hours of the day advises our union that AAG said the company negotiators “exceeded their authority,” and backed out of the long, hard worked on deal.


Conclusion:
A good deal was made. Last minute AAG said “JK throw it in the trash.”
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying View Post
Lots of technically terms and stuff is being thrown around on here. In simple terms here is a short description of what went on the past few months / weeks leading up to yesterday’s union email for people observing from the outside.

1) In May after PSA announced their new pay rates our union went to work negotiating with the company for a similar or better raise.

2) initially the company wanted a laundry list of concessions (good things we have in our contract that they want us to give up) for a mediocre pay increase

3) things went back and forth but not much progress was made.

4) Piedmont announces their raises, and it puts more pressure on our company to make a deal with our union.

5) this week (the week of june 10) the union makes progress and reaches a deal with the company for some of the highlights listed below:

A) pay raises slightly larger than PSA’s with retroactive pay back to May 15
B) Pay our of sick balance upon flow to AA or retirement (currently it goes in the garbage if you flow or retire)
C) improved reserve rules including an increase in days off and more predictability
D) lower pilot healthcare costs
E) Several Letters of Intent and agreements including Grievance Settlements which would provide a remedy for the affected pilots

6) Friday June 14 the new agreement is written and ready to be ratified and the company in the later hours of the day advises our union that AAG said the company negotiators “exceeded their authority,” and backed out of the long, hard worked on deal.


Conclusion:
A good deal was made. Last minute AAG said “JK throw it in the trash.”
I would make some slight changes in that the pay increases were not “slightly higher” than PSAs. They were of equal value to the pilot group regardless of the hard numbers. Outsiders looking in will most likely not understand the distinction nor the differences in contracts. Lastly, as I wasn’t there, we weren’t made aware which other improvements outside of pay were traded for “conceding” grievances. We have been sold this bill of goods in the past so I would get all the details first before portraying grievance settlements as straight improvements. I can give examples from the last loa if need be but I’d sound like a broken record so I won’t.
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ijustlikeflying View Post
lots of technically terms and stuff is being thrown around on here. In simple terms here is a short description of what went on the past few months / weeks leading up to yesterday’s union email for people observing from the outside.

1) in may after psa announced their new pay rates our union went to work negotiating with the company for a similar or better raise.

2) initially the company wanted a laundry list of concessions (good things we have in our contract that they want us to give up) for a mediocre pay increase

3) things went back and forth but not much progress was made.

4) piedmont announces their raises, and it puts more pressure on our company to make a deal with our union.

5) this week (the week of june 10) the union makes progress and reaches a deal with the company for some of the highlights listed below:

A) pay raises slightly larger than psa’s with retroactive pay back to may 15
b) pay our of sick balance upon flow to aa or retirement (currently it goes in the garbage if you flow or retire)
c) improved reserve rules including an increase in days off and more predictability
d) lower pilot healthcare costs
e) several letters of intent and agreements including grievance settlements which would provide a remedy for the affected pilots

6) friday june 14 the new agreement is written and ready to be ratified and the company in the later hours of the day advises our union that aag said the company negotiators “exceeded their authority,” and backed out of the long, hard worked on deal.


Conclusion:
A good deal was made. Last minute aag said “jk throw it in the trash.”
burn it to the ground
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Old 06-16-2019, 08:50 AM
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Info to maint is a fools entry.
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Old 06-23-2019, 07:33 AM
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This week will be our 6th paycheck since the PSA raise.
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Old 06-23-2019, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM View Post
This week will be our 6th paycheck since the PSA raise.
Does the union have any negotiating meetings with the company on the books coming up?
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Old 06-23-2019, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Voski View Post
Does the union have any negotiating meetings with the company on the books coming up?
There’s an MEC meeting next week. That would be the perfect opportunity to do so, but I doubt it will happen. Pedro and his team were basically put in their place last week. They now must realize that they are just figureheads and have no real clout (something we have all known). I would venture to guess that it will be awhile. Dig in boys and girls. Your non-guaranteed raises are a ways away.
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