New vacancy and DISPLACEMENT bid
03-04-2020, 07:42 AM
#391
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Folks are saying the days of displacement to captain are over, but wouldn’t we all get displaced in seniority order to what we can hold anyway if no one preferences?
I don’t understand the mentality I have to preference otherwise I risk not getting what I want. I guess it wouldn’t matter if everyone had the same mind set.
it just seems if everyone displaces (or the vast majority) it leaves us with much more money, and flexible options down the road. Maybe an unpopular idea, but curious of others’ thoughts.
maybe proffer to displace is the best compromise if everyone played by the same plan?
I don’t understand the mentality I have to preference otherwise I risk not getting what I want. I guess it wouldn’t matter if everyone had the same mind set.
it just seems if everyone displaces (or the vast majority) it leaves us with much more money, and flexible options down the road. Maybe an unpopular idea, but curious of others’ thoughts.
maybe proffer to displace is the best compromise if everyone played by the same plan?
03-04-2020, 07:48 AM
#392
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Originally Posted by CaseTractor
Folks are saying the days of displacement to captain are over, but wouldn’t we all get displaced in seniority order to what we can hold anyway if no one preferences?
I don’t understand the mentality I have to preference otherwise I risk not getting what I want. I guess it wouldn’t matter if everyone had the same mind set.
it just seems if everyone displaces (or the vast majority) it leaves us with much more money, and flexible options down the road. Maybe an unpopular idea, but curious of others’ thoughts.
maybe proffer to displace is the best compromise if everyone played by the same plan?
I don’t understand the mentality I have to preference otherwise I risk not getting what I want. I guess it wouldn’t matter if everyone had the same mind set.
it just seems if everyone displaces (or the vast majority) it leaves us with much more money, and flexible options down the road. Maybe an unpopular idea, but curious of others’ thoughts.
maybe proffer to displace is the best compromise if everyone played by the same plan?
03-04-2020, 08:42 AM
#393
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Originally Posted by rld1k
It is however I don't think the union is allowed to say that. Also try getting a 23 year old cadet to not preference for his shiny jet
03-04-2020, 08:44 AM
#394
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Originally Posted by rld1k
It is however I don't think the union is allowed to say that. Also try getting a 23 year old cadet to not preference for his shiny jet
Factually, it doesn’t impact the operation at all, the correct number of pilots will either bid or displace to CA. All that changes is the cost factor. Exercising a contractual right is not a job action.
03-04-2020, 09:09 AM
#395
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Originally Posted by Toolbox9909
Or, do you want to risk being displaced where you have to commute if you live in base. 5hrs extra ain't worth the aggravation.
if EVERYONE displaces, or if EVERYONE preferences, wouldn’t the results be identical? Everything would shake out in seniority order.
the only thing that causes the issues you mention above would be when some people displace and some people preference.
ie, if everyone preferences for what their seniority can hold, you would be displaced making the 5 hour commute anyway if you are junior.
03-04-2020, 09:15 AM
#396
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Originally Posted by CaseTractor
I guess what I am asking is this:
if EVERYONE displaces, or if EVERYONE preferences, wouldn’t the results be identical? Everything would shake out in seniority order.
the only thing that causes the issues you mention above would be when some people displace and some people preference.
ie, if everyone preferences for what their seniority can hold, you would be displaced making the 5 hour commute anyway if you are junior.
if EVERYONE displaces, or if EVERYONE preferences, wouldn’t the results be identical? Everything would shake out in seniority order.
the only thing that causes the issues you mention above would be when some people displace and some people preference.
ie, if everyone preferences for what their seniority can hold, you would be displaced making the 5 hour commute anyway if you are junior.
03-04-2020, 09:45 AM
#397
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Originally Posted by rld1k
It is however I don't think the union is allowed to say that. Also try getting a 23 year old cadet to not preference for his shiny jet
Originally Posted by Toolbox9909
Or, do you want to risk being displaced where you have to commute if you live in base. 5hrs extra ain't worth the aggravation.
And back then, the worst case scenario would be just not accepting the seat lock (or even taking if it was just a base issue) and preference bidding what you really wanted on the next bid.
Today, it's a little harder choice for someone I think given that even the company has to resort to forced upgrades, there will still be qualified FOs that don't get displaced so there's 3 months or so of captain pay on the line if you guess wrong.
03-04-2020, 09:50 AM
#398
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Today, it's a little harder choice for someone I think given that even the company has to resort to forced upgrades, there will still be qualified FOs that don't get displaced so there's 3 months or so of captain pay on the line if you guess wrong.
03-04-2020, 10:45 AM
#399
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Originally Posted by dera
Or an even more extreme example, 3 months or so delay to your flow.
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