uavking

Bottom hard line for July in ORD was 1117-ish and composite went as low as 1159-ish. Bear in mind that there are a few 300-800 guys who always bid reserve lines. Can't speak with numbers for DFW, but anecdotally it's always going to trend more senior than ORD for hard lines. You could bid OCL, see how life is vs DCL, and bid over once you get in range of a line down there, but it all comes down to personal preference.

highfarfast

Me too. I thought LOA 18-01 was pretty clear on this. My guess is the company logic is that anyone this effects will have gone on to AA by the time an arbitrator sees this.

Tomhawker

Thanks, that’s my plan. I definitely prefer DFW, but it will be a while before I can hold a line there.

29Eleven

This should help boost morale! If the company was serious about negotiations they could have asked for this as a part of the deal. Instead they willfully violate the LOA knowing full well it will just go to arbitration only to be resolved after they’ve gotten their desired results from it.

imthecaptainnow

Yes i did see this come though and it doesn't surprise me a bit with this company. This is only the start of Envoy screwing with our flow.

Cyio

Yeah I agree. Just wait until the PP’s are gone. This should get interesting.

Again don’t come here, managment hates us.

buddies8

Let's see, not in any way taking mgt side.
First all PPG's will be gone by january 2020 about. The rest fall into the last loa, the one with capt pay from time is award I believe. You must be a captain for at least 12 months to qualify to flow. If you are displaced before the 12, your screwed, if displaced our of capt to fo after you completed 12 months in seat then you are good to go.
I must be missing something as to what the company is doing and what the problem. You have to do 12 full months in capt seat to flow, called what you like, 12 months is 12 months, if you are upgrading now you are not flowing for a few years so what's 12 months.

I do agree if you are displaced out of base, equip, and you upgrade due to displacement you should not have a lock. But this does not effect the PPG's but everyone else is required to be a captain for at least 12 months before qualifying for flow.

uavking

Yeah, I suppose anyone coming here expected to eat a certain amount of bitterness, but it's starting to be a bit much.

Is flow as a backup worth having if one must tolerate hostile management? That's something for prospective new hires to think about carefully.

(That other wholly-owned who shall go nameless and #SkyBest still suck)

highfarfast

LOA 18-01 paragraph 6 doesn't differentiate between PP pilots and other groups. Paraphrasing: All pilots will need to have held CA status for 12 months except for those displaced. And paragraph 7 states that LOA 18-01 prevails if in conflict with prior LOAs.

Really, so long as we're displacing all qualified FOs as soon as they're qualified, this probably only effects those that have been inactive for a period of time. So I don't think it effects a whole lot of pilots. That doesn't make it irrelevant though.

NoValueAviator

Might actually be good for us. The only improvements (marginal though they were) in my time here have come from horse trading for unrelated things around successful arbitration.