New vacancy and DISPLACEMENT bid
07-10-2019, 05:56 PM
#121
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Originally Posted by buddies8
I would say read to contract and loa's. Hint, it's an loa. When you read it the you can tell the rest of us.
Excerpt from LOA 18-02
"CAPTAIN RATE OF PAY UPON BID AWARD
Any pilot who has been awarded a Captain position following the date of signing of this document will be paid their appropriate Captain rate of pay on their bid award date."
07-10-2019, 06:04 PM
#122
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
These as well.
Cadets however aren't anymore committed than a regular FO after class starts. Any bonus they take as a cadet is taken out of their first day of class bonus.
Cadets however aren't anymore committed than a regular FO after class starts. Any bonus they take as a cadet is taken out of their first day of class bonus.
Honestly, I am at a loss as to how a savvy lawyer has yet to challenge these programs as subterfuge for what is, essentially, a training contract. This affects hundreds, if not thousands, of pilots.
I am confident a sharp attorney could successfully file a class-action suit against carriers with such programs and be victorious making such an argument.
Honestly, why ALPA hasn't done this is beyond me, and really neglect of their duty to the membership. They should be first in line to take up this cause.
Not only would it release all these pilots back into being free-agents, but if successful, would also make the carriers liable for attorney's fees and damages.
ALPA could also argue it has standing to represent all pilot groups, not just ALPA carriers.
Just imagine what it would do to pay rates when all the carriers now risk losing these indentured servants, and scramble to retain them, as well as attract new talent since they will no longer be able to obligate people to these programs.
07-10-2019, 06:19 PM
#123
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Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 226
Originally Posted by CrowneVic
Good to know.
Honestly, I am at a loss as to how a savvy lawyer has yet to challenge these programs as subterfuge for what is, essentially, a training contract. This affects hundreds, if not thousands, of pilots.
I am confident a sharp attorney could successfully file a class-action suit against carriers with such programs and be victorious making such an argument.
Honestly, why ALPA hasn't done this is beyond me, and really neglect of their duty to the membership. They should be first in line to take up this cause.
Not only would it release all these pilots back into being free-agents, but if successful, would also make the carriers liable for attorney's fees and damages.
ALPA could also argue it has standing to represent all pilot groups, not just ALPA carriers.
Just imagine what it would do to pay rates when all the carriers now risk losing these indentured servants, and scramble to retain them, as well as attract new talent since they will no longer be able to obligate people to these programs.
Honestly, I am at a loss as to how a savvy lawyer has yet to challenge these programs as subterfuge for what is, essentially, a training contract. This affects hundreds, if not thousands, of pilots.
I am confident a sharp attorney could successfully file a class-action suit against carriers with such programs and be victorious making such an argument.
Honestly, why ALPA hasn't done this is beyond me, and really neglect of their duty to the membership. They should be first in line to take up this cause.
Not only would it release all these pilots back into being free-agents, but if successful, would also make the carriers liable for attorney's fees and damages.
ALPA could also argue it has standing to represent all pilot groups, not just ALPA carriers.
Just imagine what it would do to pay rates when all the carriers now risk losing these indentured servants, and scramble to retain them, as well as attract new talent since they will no longer be able to obligate people to these programs.
Not to be rude, but it seems as though you're probably still under your 2 year deal and want out. This is why everyone says if you take the bonus, don't spend it until your contract is up, or at least until you're a year in and the amount you owe drops significantly. I'd just stick it out if you already spent it, but if you leave don't think you'll get out of your deal because you read about someone online doing it. They'll come for their money.
Last edited by MEGAFUPM; 07-10-2019 at 06:31 PM.
07-13-2019, 05:52 PM
#128
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Originally Posted by UnprotectdPilot
Did I miss something or were zero FOs displaced to CA this month? It doesn't look like there were any forced upgrades...
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