EnyFlyr

Well if you fail IOE shouldnt you go have to go right back into the sim? Im not saying it is wrong or right all im saying if you think you're not good out on the line why wait months to bring u back to training?

dera

He obviously passed another IOE and line check, and then got placed on special tracking and had to do an R6.

EnyFlyr

Not everyone on this board is management bud, I didnt know about the whole “special tracking” deal but thanks for the info

dera

Read the contract. It ain't that hard.

havick206

I normally don’t agree with Dera but special tracking is pretty clearly spelled out in the contract.

EnyFlyr

Had i gone through it I would be familiar with it, as far as the contract goes last time I emailed ALPA with a question I got three different answers so yeahh

TheWeatherman

Some incorrect terminology is being thrown around here which is confusing things. Here is the deal, it is the same with almost every program. In the examples listed in previous posts, you are not “failing” IOE, but if you don't get it done in the prescribe time the check airman can say this person is still salvageable and may recommend extra time. This really is not that uncommon if you are coming from the CFI world flying your first jet. If you do get more then the prescribed time you get put on special tracking. All that means is that when you do finish IOE, which may just be one more trip, at the end of 6 months you will fly with a check airman who will evaluate you. Then based on how you do you either stay on special tracking or you are taken off it.

If you “fail” IOE it is something totally different, you are terminated. It does happen. I’ve heard Regionals giving some FOs 75 to 100 hours of IOE before giving up.

SkylineAviation

Not true. At envoy you could fail at 30 if still not complete or at 50 as a Captain. Doesn’t mean you’re necessarily terminated either way but then again it could be if you were a FO who had multiple issues throughout the training program. Additionally it wasn’t like if you hit 30 hours and not done it was a failure, it was if a FO had say 31 hours and didn’t complete the line check it would be considered IOE Unsat. Almost always more hours were given to complete

UncreativeUser

Almost always FO’s needed additional IOE hours?


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buddies8

Ioe,
50 hours for first time upgrade capt.
New hire 25 hours ioe can go to 30hrs
Once you reach the prescribed maximum hours of ioe and have not passed the line check then a training report must be filed. Trng will decide what will happen next, but most certain you will be placed on special tracking after you have passed the additional ioe.
Dont listen to psi b.s. comply with aom-1 procedures and limitations for your aircraft and understand fmp-1 company procedures. Its your job to know this stuff.