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austinrc1260 07-23-2019 06:46 AM

Why did PSA/Pdt give raises, etc & not Envoy?
 
Hi all, from a total outsider-

Why did PSA and Piedmont, being part of AAG, come to deals on higher pay and better work rules in recent months when Envoy reneged on a deal and is dragging their feet?

I've seen people say the whole "we have 10,000 cadets who would do your job for free" thing, but doesn't that apply to OH and PT as well?

Thanks for any answers you may have.

pitchattitude 07-23-2019 06:55 AM


Originally Posted by austinrc1260 (Post 2857712)
Hi all, from a total outsider-

Why did PSA and Piedmont, being part of AAG, come to deals on higher pay and better work rules in recent months when Envoy reneged on a deal and is dragging their feet?

I've seen people say the whole "we have 10,000 cadets who would do your job for free" thing, but doesn't that apply to OH and PT as well?

Thanks for any answers you may have.

Because those 10,000 cadets don’t want to fly clapped out CRJs and 145s. Envoy has a very strong recruiting program with cadets and the 175 is a big draw.

They just don’t know there are several other places they can go and fly the 175 for more money and better conditions. They also don’t understand that the value of the flow to a current new hire is minimal and certainly not worth what they are sacrificing.

Phoenix21 07-23-2019 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by austinrc1260 (Post 2857712)
Hi all, from a total outsider-

Why did PSA and Piedmont, being part of AAG, come to deals on higher pay and better work rules in recent months when Envoy reneged on a deal and is dragging their feet?

I've seen people say the whole "we have 10,000 cadets who would do your job for free" thing, but doesn't that apply to OH and PT as well?

Thanks for any answers you may have.

There have been no work rule improvements for Piedmont. It still lags FAR behind both Envoy and PSA.

Jma313 07-23-2019 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by austinrc1260 (Post 2857712)
Hi all, from a total outsider-

Why did PSA and Piedmont, being part of AAG, come to deals on higher pay and better work rules in recent months when Envoy reneged on a deal and is dragging their feet?

I've seen people say the whole "we have 10,000 cadets who would do your job for free" thing, but doesn't that apply to OH and PT as well?

Thanks for any answers you may have.

None of the LOAs at PSA have been great for QOL. Pay was increased but nothing else has changed dramatically.

Tyrion 07-23-2019 09:18 PM


Originally Posted by Jma313 (Post 2857749)
None of the LOAs at PSA have been great for QOL. Pay was increased but nothing else has changed dramatically.

PSA has been well ahead of Envoy in the QOL department for a while now. Envoy has no soft pay, no rigs, poor scheduling. I'd trade my union rep's left nut for some of the benefits PSA has.

pitchattitude 07-23-2019 09:39 PM


Originally Posted by Tyrion (Post 2858140)
PSA has been well ahead of Envoy in the QOL department for a while now. Envoy has no soft pay, no rigs, poor scheduling. I'd trade my union rep's left nut for some of the benefits PSA has.

And since they won’t be needing them, might as well trade the right one for PSA’s pay scale.

MD-11Loader 07-24-2019 04:05 AM


Originally Posted by Tyrion (Post 2858140)
PSA has been well ahead of Envoy in the QOL department for a while now. Envoy has no soft pay, no rigs, poor scheduling. I'd trade my union rep's left nut for some of the benefits PSA has.

So why didn’t you go there in the first place?

MEGAFUPM 07-24-2019 05:36 AM

The company would give us the pay raises tomorrow if the union accepted them only such as PSA and PDT. The union wants a bunch of other QOL improvements in there as well they have been going back and forth on, which is causing the holdups.

Varsity 07-24-2019 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 2858209)
The company would give us the pay raises tomorrow if the union accepted them only such as PSA and PDT. The union wants a bunch of other QOL improvements in there as well they have been going back and forth on, which is causing the holdups.

The company said "lets negotiate" and the union did their job.

Not their fault.

MEGAFUPM 07-24-2019 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2858232)
The company said "lets negotiate" and the union did their job.

Not their fault.

Didn't say it was their fault. That's just the current situation


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