chrisreedrules

If only it worked that way...

flyboy94

I’m a CPZ pilot and that is true! JUST
KIDDING! That’s all of us at CPZ’s dream though to get more flying.

havick206

Unfortunately it does, having witnessed it about 4-5 times.

Nothing against those that managed to get in, I would have leveraged every connection also.

BIueSideUp

Everyone with more than 9-12 months to flow should be trying to get out to other majors or LCCs

havick206

Interesting quote from someone that appears to have been hired circa 2017. Do you personally have one foot out the door, or is are you just floating this for self gain?

NoValueAviator

I hope they do interview for the flow. I’d pass the interview, don’t want to fly with someone who wouldn’t, and it would force Envoy to match or nearly match non-WO compensation/QOL to attract more suckers.

BIueSideUp

Yea I'm an early 2017 hire. Sure, my "years until flow" projection on the interactive seniority list is lower than most, but even I don't drink that kool-aid. I have apps out where it matters to me and keep them updated regularly. Trying to do my best to network my way out before the flow approaches. It's just friendly, unsolicited advice that I think that's in everyone's best interest, both above and below me on the seniority list to be looking for another way up and out. Flow isn't a done deal for anyone anymore and it's almost worthless for a lot of people here. If those that can leave for better things do, it helps those that can't.

Envoy isn't somewhere that a smart person wants to risk getting stuck. Some folks might leave for Spirit up until a year prior to flow or even later. Delta? I know there are people that would leave inside the first year at AA.

HSCompressor

Well... one thing you can say about the flow. At least we are getting hired at AA.

Go look at the Endeavor forum. Hats off, lanyards on.

Sucks to work at a place for 4-5 years, get a double no-go, and then find out kids out of college are getting hired well before you.

And I could imagine it's not much better on the United CPP side.

BIueSideUp

You hope so at least. It's really nothing more than that at this point.

I agree, the DGI and United CPP are both basically garbage but what good is an 8 or 9 year flow? It's definitely not "hired at AA".

Varsity

It's still the best career advancement program out there.