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Urban achiever 09-02-2019 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2877500)
As of November AAG will have removed 7 CRJ900s from contract with Mesa. And Mesa has yet to have its contracts extended with United even though the date has come and gone. They’re basically month-to-month at this point.

Compass could win those United 175 contracts though personally I don’t think that will happen. Mesa’s UA 175 performance is actually quite good and they are comparatively cheap. I do think however that they are likely to lose their AAG CRJ900 flying and it will get divided up between PSA, Envoy, and SkyWest in PHX.

The likely culprit if Envoy is being primed for more 175s is the 20 aircraft that Compass are currently flying coming back in house to Envoy. That’s just my WAG. Though Mesa’s stock is down over 30% since the last quarter. So something is up over there...

Any idea where the 6 crj9 have gone that AAG pulled from Mesa?

dera 09-02-2019 06:26 PM


Originally Posted by Urban achiever (Post 2880488)
Any idea where the 6 crj9 have gone that AAG pulled from Mesa?

They sit around the B stinger, usually getting used as maintenance spares.

airspeedsalive 09-03-2019 04:33 AM


Originally Posted by Urban achiever (Post 2880488)
Any idea where the 6 crj9 have gone that AAG pulled from Mesa?

I think it’s actually 4 planes pulled. 2 are in the Mesa house livery, and 2 more get pulled in November. I assume they will be spares too.

chrisreedrules 09-03-2019 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by airspeedsalive (Post 2880601)
I think it’s actually 4 planes pulled. 2 are in the Mesa house livery, and 2 more get pulled in November. I assume they will be spares too.

7 total as of November. It’s all in the Mesa quarterly investor call transcript. It’s also partly why PSA is beginning DFW flying in November. The flying will have to get covered even if Mesa can’t seem to do it. And this is in no way a dig at Mesa pilots. Their management is failing them.

pitchattitude 09-03-2019 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2880765)
7 total as of November. It’s all in the Mesa quarterly investor call transcript. It’s also partly why PSA is beginning DFW flying in November. The flying will have to get covered even if Mesa can’t seem to do it. And this is in no way a dig at Mesa pilots. Their management is failing them.

My understanding is part of the issue at least is staffing. The United side has more stringent staffing requirements in their contract so new hires and upgrades go to that side.

Is that a failure of management? Ultimately.

dera 09-03-2019 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2880769)
My understanding is part of the issue at least is staffing. The United side has more stringent staffing requirements in their contract so new hires and upgrades go to that side.

Is that a failure of management? Ultimately.

If you look at the Mesa cancellations in the portal, they are mostly coded as maintenance cancellations, with a few daily crew cancellations on top of them. Roughly a 80/20 split. They just don't seem to have the capability to fly the schedule they are given.

100% agree, it's ultimately a management issue.

chrisreedrules 09-03-2019 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2880770)
If you look at the Mesa cancellations in the portal, they are mostly coded as maintenance cancellations, with a few daily crew cancellations on top of them. Roughly a 80/20 split. They just don't seem to have the capability to fly the schedule they are given.

100% agree, it's ultimately a management issue.

My understanding is that they often code cancellations as Mx when in fact they may be other reasons. Like a lack of a crew to operate a flight. They do this to not spook their investors... allegedly.

HalyardJammer 09-03-2019 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2880771)
My understanding is that they often code cancellations as Mx when in fact they may be other reasons. Like a lack of a crew to operate a flight. They do this to not spook their investors... allegedly.

That sounds like a fraud lawyers wet dream.

buddies8 09-03-2019 10:06 AM

Mesa cant cover its schedule so numb nuts dp brings in psa, well our schedule need efficiency and that flying would help. Now psa will say the need efficiency and numb nuts will give psa more envoy flying. Y'all should understand, irregardless of what some say, envoy is at the bottom of pecking order. Skw, rah and psa are growing while envoy bounces like a yoyo on a short string

chrisreedrules 09-03-2019 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by buddies8 (Post 2880807)
Mesa cant cover its schedule so numb nuts dp brings in psa, well our schedule need efficiency and that flying would help. Now psa will say the need efficiency and numb nuts will give psa more envoy flying. Y'all should understand, irregardless of what some say, envoy is at the bottom of pecking order. Skw, rah and psa are growing while envoy bounces like a yoyo on a short string

Envoy will be getting more 175s /growth. If Mesa exits the Eagle fold PSA alone won’t be able to cover all of that flying. I’d wager the bulk of it would be replaced by 175s in DFW and PSA would get the 16 American-owned CRJ900s.


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