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Old 12-04-2019, 06:36 PM
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Hello guys..
One more question.
Trying to understand this better. So if I get assigned to 145 LGA, how does the unlimited hotels for 3 months and the travel passes work?
Do I get unlimited hotels while on reserve duty, or only for for the start and end periods of reserve for commuting purposes?
How do the travel passes that are also mentioned on the contract work during this period?
Just trying to be better informed

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Old 12-05-2019, 10:37 AM
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Hello guys..
One more question.
Trying to understand this better. So if I get assigned to 145 LGA, how does the unlimited hotels for 3 months and the travel passes work?
Do I get unlimited hotels while on reserve duty, or only for for the start and end periods of reserve for commuting purposes?
How do the travel passes that are also mentioned on the contract work during this period?
Just trying to be better informed

Thanks again!
You get unlimited hotels in base. Those reservations are for one day at a time and you must check out every day and put in a request for another hotel each day. Sometimes you go straight back to the same hotel and sometimes you have to switch. On occasion, if you call, scheduling can approve you staying in the hotel before the check out time. BUT...if they think it is possible they will use you, they will deny that request until you are released form duty at the end of your reserve period.

The commuting policy in the LOA is that you can make an A-12 reservation which is NOT a positive space ticket. If you put in for an A-12 pass, you will be assigned a seat IF the flight has enough open seats AND it isn't forecast to sell too many. Otherwise, you are one step behind a revenue standby and one step ahead of a non-rev standby. If you are an A-12, it is not proper to accept a jumpseat ahead of a D-2 commuter, so you must have a seat in the back or you will miss the flight. You also have a time limit before a flight that you can list as an A-12 (I forget what it is, but it doesn't matter). As a reserve pilot, you won't know far enough in advance what flight you can use to commute home so you will have to list as a D-2 on the way home unless you plan on commuting home the day after. Virtually no one does that.

Honestly, the A-12 pass is almost more problem than solution depending on the city you are commuting from. On busy routes, you won't have open seats and you limit yourself to the back. It just doesn't work.

Of course, none of this applies to any other base.
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Old 12-05-2019, 12:11 PM
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You get unlimited hotels in base. Those reservations are for one day at a time and you must check out every day and put in a request for another hotel each day. Sometimes you go straight back to the same hotel and sometimes you have to switch. On occasion, if you call, scheduling can approve you staying in the hotel before the check out time. BUT...if they think it is possible they will use you, they will deny that request until you are released form duty at the end of your reserve period.

The commuting policy in the LOA is that you can make an A-12 reservation which is NOT a positive space ticket. If you put in for an A-12 pass, you will be assigned a seat IF the flight has enough open seats AND it isn't forecast to sell too many. Otherwise, you are one step behind a revenue standby and one step ahead of a non-rev standby. If you are an A-12, it is not proper to accept a jumpseat ahead of a D-2 commuter, so you must have a seat in the back or you will miss the flight. You also have a time limit before a flight that you can list as an A-12 (I forget what it is, but it doesn't matter). As a reserve pilot, you won't know far enough in advance what flight you can use to commute home so you will have to list as a D-2 on the way home unless you plan on commuting home the day after. Virtually no one does that.

Honestly, the A-12 pass is almost more problem than solution depending on the city you are commuting from. On busy routes, you won't have open seats and you limit yourself to the back. It just doesn't work.

Of course, none of this applies to any other base.
I concur that the A-12, as it is allowed to be used, is pretty close to worthless. I learned this while being home based tdy. I don't think anything made me cringe more than when I'd hear someone say "OH! You get positive spaced to work!" when I told them my status.
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Old 12-05-2019, 12:53 PM
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Thank you guys!! I appreciate your responses, they really help.
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Old 12-05-2019, 03:57 PM
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The commuting policy in the LOA is that you can make an A-12 reservation which is NOT a positive space ticket. If you put in for an A-12 pass, you will be assigned a seat IF the flight has enough open seats AND it isn't forecast to sell too many. Otherwise, you are one step behind a revenue standby and one step ahead of a non-rev standby. If you are an A-12, it is not proper to accept a jumpseat ahead of a D-2 commuter, so you must have a seat in the back or you will miss the flight. You also have a time limit before a flight that you can list as an A-12 (I forget what it is, but it doesn't matter). As a reserve pilot, you won't know far enough in advance what flight you can use to commute home so you will have to list as a D-2 on the way home unless you plan on commuting home the day after. Virtually no one does that.

Honestly, the A-12 pass is almost more problem than solution depending on the city you are commuting from. On busy routes, you won't have open seats and you limit yourself to the back. It just doesn't work.

Of course, none of this applies to any other base.
One positive thing is that you are pay protected for commuting issues with A12 passes.
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Old 12-05-2019, 07:50 PM
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One positive thing is that you are pay protected for commuting issues with A12 passes.
And that is the ONE reason I said they are close to worthless... not quite worthless.

I can't explain to you how frustrating it is to try to get home on an A12 after an earlier flight has cancelled. Positive space my ass!!
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Old 12-05-2019, 08:25 PM
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And that is the ONE reason I said they are close to worthless... not quite worthless.

I can't explain to you how frustrating it is to try to get home on an A12 after an earlier flight has cancelled. Positive space my ass!!
Never understood why the LOA says "A12 positive space" when they really aren't.
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Old 12-06-2019, 04:30 AM
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Never understood why the LOA says "A12 positive space" when they really aren't.
Another sellout LOA?
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Old 12-06-2019, 04:38 AM
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I concur that the A-12, as it is allowed to be used, is pretty close to worthless. I learned this while being home based tdy. I don't think anything made me cringe more than when I'd hear someone say "OH! You get positive spaced to work!" when I told them my status.
Every time that I’ve been home based tdy I have used a1 and a3 with no issue. Which are actually positive space
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Old 12-06-2019, 07:52 AM
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Every time that I’ve been home based tdy I have used a1 and a3 with no issue. Which are actually positive space
The email I, and everybody else I knew that was home based TDY at the same time, said to book A12 via HIGO in decs.
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