Already American?
 

How many Envoy guys consider themselves “Already American?” Meaning that you are an AA pilot when you show up for indoc at Envoy, like Dacuj and some of the other recruiting staff claim.

Very very few hold this opinion. The ones that do are delusional.

I consider myself like an American scab. Same job same company, but willing to work twice as much for 1/4 the pay.

I consider myself in the basement of this pyramid scheme

Don't think of it that way. You are at the top of this upside down triangle. Look at you buddy, you're on top.

I am a valuable part of the AAG flying operation... So valued that they will only flow or hire 7000 more pilots to mainline by the time they get to me.

I think I am unofficially #22,222 on the unofficial Already AA seniority list.

Your Boss is AAG and your customer is also AAG. Tell me how that works. As one lifer told me, we are not an airline. We are a ground handling company. You are a pilot in a ground handling portion of AAG.

It’s so unofficial, it doesn’t exist. I’m number 18,000 on the DAL list because I have an app in...

lol. if you felt that way at indoc, envoy management will quickly rectify that sentiment....that you work for a regional with terrible work rules.

Oooh,
Cool- that means I’m up to number 18001 on their list.
There IS light at the end of the tunnel

Doug Parkers entire flow scheme was designed to limit costs. There is no other reason. The current flow system is a management creation, APA had no say in the matter. The company already had all the scope relief they needed so there was nothing to negotiate, American simply instituted the program.

As negotiations go on the standard reply from management is that they don't need to increase wages at the regional level, our pilots have the "flow to mainline." This is Doug's way of heading off a bidding war for talent at the lower level of the industry, the regional new hire.

From the posts, it doesn't seem to be working as well as planned but then again neither does AA's performance on many other metrics, vis-a-vie United and Delta.

Hopefully the big guy will be out one of these days when the share holders get tired of taking it in the shorts.

Actually alpa envoy mec tony and s c u m talked parker into this type of flow scenario.. for those who were not here, the then mec talked to aag as to how flow would benefit them,.

I get an erection every time I see myself with my AA uniform on the mirror, at the La Quinta!

So hilarious
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I may be off, but I could have sworn Tony was gone by the time USAir bought AA (sorry... “merged”). I remember Sam Pool being MEC Chair during the bankruptcy.

I may be off. We’ve been kicked in the head so many times by Parker it all gets a little fuzzy.

This is a completely inaccurate history of the flow program

Already American?
 

I don’t fool myself, I know I’m flying at the behest of big brother. As far as friends, depends how wide the circle is of those who know I fly. Immediate family knows I’m Envoy with AA benefits. The wider it gets, the more diluted it gets.... Eagle, American... doesn’t matter how often I correct them. The line blurs. Met a friend of mine while deadheading on a 73. He knows I’m Eagle. Told him I was going to pickup my plane. Next time we all got together, he relived the story of meeting me in the back of the jet I fly and how I could save the day if the pilots got incapacitated. Is what it is.

These weren’t the replies the OP was looking for. He loves to troll the Envoy forum. He was hoping you would all say you were AA, so he could correct you, and remind everyone that he is supposedly at a Delta now.

I've never told anyone I work for American. I have noticed, though, that non-aviation people that know me and have heard me explain the difference will continually refer to me as 'working for American'. Apparently the distinction only matters to me. Hell, even my wife struggles with it apparently because she never refers to either Envoy or American.... she just says I work for "the airlines". Plural like that... as if I worked for ALL airlines. lol

Yeah I would agree. The only people that care are ourselves as most dont understand the way the system is rigged, even after explaining it to them.

Much like the poster above, despite my repeated attempts, it seems you just get lumped in. I cant say I blame them, AA goes to extreme lengths to blur the line of their mainline/regional operations.

Unless something happens they want distance from.

I agree, however even that is getting harder and harder for them to do. Virtually every piece of branding is the same, from the drinks, the seat pocket material, the uniforms, the paint schemes, the flight numbers when you look them up etc.

They can suddenly say it isnt mainline when something goes wrong, but all people see are the similarities on the news.

No matter how hard AA tries to blur the lines, my paycheck still makes it VERY clear how little they regard our hard work. I’ll never be confused about being a regional pilot as long as the pay and work rules at our level of this caste system persist.

I agree, I was referring to it from a customer standpoint.

You gotta tell them your flying for the minor leagues. The Busch league. The B team. When you finally put your “dues” in 10 years later you get to commute to LGA or PHL and fly a slightly bigger plane. Because we fly little Barbie jets.

"still flyin the puddle jumpers eh"