New Hire Questions
 

Hello guys.

I am preparing for my upcoming interview with Envoy. But in the meantime, I wanted to ask a couple of questions.
If hired, any delays or backlogs in training? How long is the wait to get a class?
After IOE, how long should I expect to be on reserve either at LGA 145 or ORD 175?
And how long would it take me to be able to hold DFW as base? And how long after that to hold a line?
Thanks!!

-Doesn't seem to be any training delays recently
-Not sure about how long the wait for class is but I can't imagine that they won't be able to squeeze you into a class within 1-2 months
-RSV times are a moving target but by the time you're done with long term it should be spring which means more flying
-You can get to DFW most likely within 2-3 months but you will definitely be on RSV a bit longer there than at ORD for example

When do benefits start for new hires? More specifically is there a waiting period for health insurance?

All benefits are immediately. I think the only thing that doesn't start full fledge right off the bat is buying a ZED fare ticket (you can still jumpseat, your family will only be able to ride on AA/WO for the first 6 months) but thats it.

Health insurance is after A month.

How difficult was Envoys initial training after hire?

Flows, profiles, limitations, and callouts. There are no gotcha questions, they're not trying to fire you but they're not going to hold your hand either. Come prepared, be courteous, be professional and you'll be fine.

How much sitting around are guys on reserve doing, versus actually out flying ?

Thank you

I flew 50ish hours in nov


Dfw 175

Depends what airplane, what base. Expect 30-50 hours a month. Once you hold a line you'll be looking ways to drop flying with how much you'll be doing.

So, they guarantee you ‘70’ hours a month of RSV pay. Are your actual flight hours paid differently, when you fly off RSV, or is it a flat ‘70’ until you reach that threshold & then paid more if you go over?

TIA

It’s 75 hours on reserve. Pretty much impossible to fly more than that on reserve. All it takes is a day or two of airport standby not getting used and a GRK overnight and you’ll never break minimums. The reserves get the leftovers that line holders trade out of because they are so unproductive. It’s not unusual to see a 9 hour four day trip or a 12 hour five day given on reserve.

That’s what I suspected. Thanks for the words 👍👍

Any OT is on top of RSV pay guarantee at the respective OT rate.

If you fly past your RSV guarantee (Non OT) then at that point you will credit more than RSV guarantee. Pretty much impossible as a RSV Pilot.

Thanks y’all. Bout what I expected. ����

At 75 hours you will become the last pilot they will call for an assignment. Breaking guarantee on reserve does not happen here.

Footprint?
 

What’s the training footprint for someone coming in with a 145 type?

Same as if you didn’t have the type even if you get NFE initially. You’ll just have less of the “now where was that button again?” Moments throughout :)

As stated above, it’s the same footprint. The CBTs are mostly self-paced so you can save some time and brainpower there. You can’t completely blow them off because the company tracks your times, but if you know the material it will go way faster than the advertised time.

A lot of emphasis in training is placed of flows and call outs. These are likely slightly different from your last company, so you’ll need to spend some effort overwriting your mental hard drive to get the new stuff in and keep the old stuff out. Its not hard, but it takes more effort than you’d think.

How long would one expect to spend on reserve?
What are likely bases right out of training?
What is the likely AC?

I’m considering Envoy and trying to figure out exactly what I’ll be getting into.

Unless you are a cadet, plan on getting the 145 and probably in laguardia.

Cadets can expect the 175, often in ord.

Reserve time varies a lot, but 8 months to a year. Is likely.

Are NHs sent home to do the CBTs during initial?

You have the option to do so. The default is the company expects you to leave so they don’t make reservations for you to stay. If you want to stay, you have to request the hotel.

But don't leave because of that. Leave if it's what you want and it's convenient. New hires are eager to please the company until the discover it makes no difference, the company doesn't treat you better as a result of trying to do them a favor.

This is definitely truth.

Wasn’t implying you SHOULD leave, just that you have to make sure the reservation is made if you plan to stay.

Hiring question
 

I need to get some clarification on this but how hard would it be to get hired by Envoy once you completed all your ratings and the 1500 required hours WITHOUT any degrees?

What is the realistic time you would spend on the flow thru program before getting upgraded to the major airline?

Thank you

I was hired without a 4 year and complete my 2 year later. I have flown with a lot of FOs that have no college. You will be fine, a 4 year degree is not needed at all to do this job.

I agree that a degree is not necessarily needed to do this job. BUT a degree does better equip you and make you a more rounded individual as well as provide a backup.

AND as far as I know the flow with American WOs is the surest way to a major without one. That is why a lot of folks are still at Envoy.

I’m not trying to sell the Envoy flow, but it is a reality. A lack of a degree is a big hindrance to making it to a major.

i dont think Alaska requires a degree anymore..

Most majors don't "need" one.It's usually a "preferred" qualification. But good luck getting hired without it.