More flights coming to JFK?
 

Has anyone heard anything about this?

ORD- LGA turns is what I’ve seen and know so far.


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Isn't AA's international strategy to shift most JFK widebody flying not supported directly by the NYC market to PHL? If that's the case, then why would AA add more feeders to JFK?

No idea, I believe their plan is like you said transferring the flying to PHL but I’m guessing for folks that want to go out west coast international destinations they will send them to ORD. Could be a seasonal thing as well


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The only flying increasing at JFK now is Republic flying (and it’s all coming out of our current pairings).

When is Republic starting there? I know Endeavor has a good presence there and I heard Envoy would be expanding at JFK too after the construction.

I believe Republic started their takeover of Envoy JFK pairings in November. Envoy was supposed to expand our JFK footprint in November but all that growth that was supposed to happen was suspended/cancelled/transferred to Republic.

AA decided the growth can warrant 175's over 145's. Now NYC seems crazy overstaffed. Lots of displacements coming up.

Republic is already flying out of JFK for AA. I have no idea how much.

Don’t hold your breathe. The March & April schedules have more Eagle flying in CLT than JFK.

The 31/32 gates at JFK T8 can't support multiple E175s, so until the gates are redone, it seems like Envoy 145s are pretty safe. As far as I know, Republic only operates one or two JFK turns daily for AA. Everything else is Envoy 145.

No displacements are coming up.... the only time a displacement has happened at Envoy in recent memory was when we lost a base or plane.

Forced upgrades are displacements.

Huh? Perhaps an edit is needed.

Umm. There have been displaced pilots on every bid I can remember from the last couple of years. Most have not been “displacement bids”, but the result is the same. Look at the most recent flow plan. Everyone with a DISP or PROF next to their name was displaced. It’s half the list at least.

Yup. I completely missed the “not”. To be clear

“Forced upgrades and NOT displacements.”

A displacement occurs when position is no longer available. You will know a “true” displacement is happening when the company specifically state which position is being displaced.


Yup I know I know that many people have DISP next to their name. Forced upgrades are not displacements. The provision was to force the most junior qualified pilot to a vacancy that wasn’t filled. (No one wants to upgrade to NY ok so we force the most junior pilot to that position. And yes the most junior pilot could have been a CA.) It was never intended to act as a CA shortage tool. The company held us down while the company ran us over with it. Look in the contract where displacements are defined. The use of 15G4 and the rules for forcing upgrades, PTD, 3D, and proffers to CA positions have continually changed from bid to bid. So much so that I completely stopped caring and just lowering my head for the next few months.