AA OTS hiring - a crack in the W/O wall
01-27-2020, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Chato
this is somethng ALPA should be communicating to the pilot group, unfortunately they barely send out emails now with this info. I bet the vacancy bidding guide will be sent out the day before it closes.
01-27-2020, 08:42 AM
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The flow is still going to be great for mid-2016 hires and the closer you are to that, the better it's going to be. But they clearly feel they've staffed their regional feed adequately at this point and are now comfortable with devaluing the flow.
01-27-2020, 09:57 AM
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The flow is and always has been a mechanism for staffing the regionals, NOT FOR STAFFING AA. They will keep flow as low as possible - as long as it remains an adequate enough carrot that they are continuing to adequately staffing the regionals. They have no shortage of qualified people looking to be hired OTS - not at present anyway. Perhaps in a few more years that we’ll will dry up, but it’s plenty deep right now.
01-27-2020, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by THKooj
Not real sure what you are trying to get at here. You are wrong on a couple of points at minimum. One. AA is having ZERO trouble hiring candidates that fit the culture with strong resumes. They are selecting only the best OTS resumes for review. Two. Just because there may be a stronger civilian OTS presence at the moment, means nothing in terms of what is happening at Envoy. Envoy still has a VERY strong stack of resumes JUST from guys that want to apply when they are finally accepted into the pipeline. The pipeline itself is currently full to overflowing with only the highest quality candidates selected carefully by the Envoy recruiting team. So, that being said, there are more than enough out there to increase the flow to a much higher percentage and not even notice a blip on the radar.
Back to the point. In recent years, AA classes were about 50/50 mil and flow. If there was an OTS hire, it was either from a W/O, or a prior mil who did a touch and go at a regional airline of his convenience. There were practically zero hires from other airlines. This gave credence to the recruiters saying "if you want AA, you need to go through a W/O, even if you want to get hired OTS."
That worked great when AA was hiring around 80 per month. You take about 20 flows and a couple OTS from the 3 W/Os, and 20 mil hires, and you fill up the classes. Republic, Skywest, ExpressJet need not apply. Powerball had better odds than getting hired at AA from those places.
Now that AA is hiring 100+ a month, and the flows have been reduced, the question was how will AA fill classes.
A. Increase military hires --- doubtful as that pipeline is running at capacity with guys having CJOs a year prior to getting out.
B. Increase Flow and OTS from W/Os -- always seemed doubtful as they would be pulling from their regional feed.
C. Increase OTS from other regionals. -- always seemed most likely as that is a large pool of qualified pilots, many who can be hired without hurting the regional feed to AA.
I would like option B to be the case. Heck since we are all the best of the best, just staple us to the bottom of the AA seniority list and call it good. Do that and I'd happily keep flying the 145 until my seniority can hold Airbus. It won't take 5 years. However, sane people know that Envoy can't send an additional 20 CAs to AA every month, it wouldn't be a blip.
Every AA new hire outside of the W/Os devalues the benefit of working at the W/Os. Now that they started hiring from other places, it seems that being at Envoy is no longer an advantage to our OTS chances.
01-27-2020, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Tyrion
I probably shouldn't be feeding the troll. He reminds me of this guy www.youtube.com/watch?v=w67dhHLUK3M
Back to the point. In recent years, AA classes were about 50/50 mil and flow. If there was an OTS hire, it was either from a W/O, or a prior mil who did a touch and go at a regional airline of his convenience. There were practically zero hires from other airlines. This gave credence to the recruiters saying "if you want AA, you need to go through a W/O, even if you want to get hired OTS."
That worked great when AA was hiring around 80 per month. You take about 20 flows and a couple OTS from the 3 W/Os, and 20 mil hires, and you fill up the classes. Republic, Skywest, ExpressJet need not apply. Powerball had better odds than getting hired at AA from those places.
Now that AA is hiring 100+ a month, and the flows have been reduced, the question was how will AA fill classes.
A. Increase military hires --- doubtful as that pipeline is running at capacity with guys having CJOs a year prior to getting out.
B. Increase Flow and OTS from W/Os -- always seemed doubtful as they would be pulling from their regional feed.
C. Increase OTS from other regionals. -- always seemed most likely as that is a large pool of qualified pilots, many who can be hired without hurting the regional feed to AA.
I would like option B to be the case. Heck since we are all the best of the best, just staple us to the bottom of the AA seniority list and call it good. Do that and I'd happily keep flying the 145 until my seniority can hold Airbus. It won't take 5 years. However, sane people know that Envoy can't send an additional 20 CAs to AA every month, it wouldn't be a blip.
Every AA new hire outside of the W/Os devalues the benefit of working at the W/Os. Now that they started hiring from other places, it seems that being at Envoy is no longer an advantage to our OTS chances.
Back to the point. In recent years, AA classes were about 50/50 mil and flow. If there was an OTS hire, it was either from a W/O, or a prior mil who did a touch and go at a regional airline of his convenience. There were practically zero hires from other airlines. This gave credence to the recruiters saying "if you want AA, you need to go through a W/O, even if you want to get hired OTS."
That worked great when AA was hiring around 80 per month. You take about 20 flows and a couple OTS from the 3 W/Os, and 20 mil hires, and you fill up the classes. Republic, Skywest, ExpressJet need not apply. Powerball had better odds than getting hired at AA from those places.
Now that AA is hiring 100+ a month, and the flows have been reduced, the question was how will AA fill classes.
A. Increase military hires --- doubtful as that pipeline is running at capacity with guys having CJOs a year prior to getting out.
B. Increase Flow and OTS from W/Os -- always seemed doubtful as they would be pulling from their regional feed.
C. Increase OTS from other regionals. -- always seemed most likely as that is a large pool of qualified pilots, many who can be hired without hurting the regional feed to AA.
I would like option B to be the case. Heck since we are all the best of the best, just staple us to the bottom of the AA seniority list and call it good. Do that and I'd happily keep flying the 145 until my seniority can hold Airbus. It won't take 5 years. However, sane people know that Envoy can't send an additional 20 CAs to AA every month, it wouldn't be a blip.
Every AA new hire outside of the W/Os devalues the benefit of working at the W/Os. Now that they started hiring from other places, it seems that being at Envoy is no longer an advantage to our OTS chances.
not. Tough decisions indeed. Sure wish our union was more open to communicating with us regarding issues such as flow times.
01-27-2020, 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Just wait, the resignation numbers are pretty awesome.
Great news indeed! I have been hearing February will be insane; with that being the case any chance we all get bonuses or pay raises to keep us here?
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