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UncreativeUser 01-30-2020 01:04 PM

Skywest to operate 20 175’s for American
 
All owned by Skywest. Compass aircraft still up in the air. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b3d6828002.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b3d6828002.jpg


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deraa 01-30-2020 01:09 PM

Good news for ENY, seems like we will receive the CP 175s after all to staff our ORD/DFW base. Unfortunately this is not a good sign for Compass.

UncreativeUser 01-30-2020 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by deraa (Post 2967649)
Good news for ENY, seems like we will receive the CP 175s after all to staff our ORD/DFW base. Unfortunately this is not a good sign for Compass.



Not a good piece of news for our West Coast commuters. I suppose a PHX base is their only hope now.

Perhaps if people didn’t come on here to scare new hires away MAYBE we would have had the staffing to support LAX. Nice


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3GreenKSNA 01-30-2020 01:26 PM

No way to really know where they are going to operate. Could even be Boston with AA dialing up operations there once again. Former Eagle base as well......

-Keep the dirty side down

Varsity 01-30-2020 01:38 PM

SKW could easily get the CPZ planes on top of this. Makes sense to operate 40, instead of a small fleet of 20.

3GreenKSNA 01-30-2020 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2967683)
SKW could easily get the CPZ planes on top of this. Makes sense to operate 40, instead of a small fleet of 20.

They already operate 175s for United and Delta the only difference for them is the color of the paint job. Of course 40 is better than 20 but the cost of scale isn't really a factor here since they are already such a large operator.

-Keep the dirty side down

uavking 01-30-2020 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2967683)
SKW could easily get the CPZ planes on top of this. Makes sense to operate 40, instead of a small fleet of 20.

The Borg already has plenty of E75 operating for UA and DL, so I don't think they're worried about economies of scale.

Copper 01-30-2020 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by Varsity (Post 2967683)
SKW could easily get the CPZ planes on top of this. Makes sense to operate 40, instead of a small fleet of 20.

The top brass told us in indoc a couple months ago this was coming. LAX to Skywest and the compass planes to ORD only. Nothing to DFW. PHX is still the only valid west coast rumor left.

buddies8 01-30-2020 02:08 PM

You know what to bet on, just facts.
aag will screw the w/o seven days from sunday.
there goes everything west from Dallas is skywest now.
but we have flow

Swakid8 01-30-2020 03:17 PM

Skywest to operate 20 175’s for American
 
You guys are overlooking key piece of information that lead to this. Skywest are buying the airplanes not AA. It would be different if AA had to finance the planes themselves. If the latter was the case, I think Envoy would have gotten the planes.


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BigZ 01-30-2020 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 2967762)
You guys are overlooks key piece of information that lead to this. Skywest are buying the airplanes not AA. It would be different if AA had to finance the planes themselves. If the latter was the case, I think Envoy would have gotten the planes.


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Mesa started that with UAL 175s not that long ago by offering/agreeing to finance the metal.

dera 01-30-2020 04:59 PM

So clearly the Republic order is vaporware because these orders will take over the production pipeline.

Ciceda 01-30-2020 05:21 PM

Didn't you guys say that any new 175 AA flying would fall under a WO. Yet it looks like AA just gave 10 years to SkyWest. Interesting.

buddies8 01-30-2020 05:31 PM

No, that was the envoy recruiter cheer leader, doing it's part for the aag train.

Swakid8 01-30-2020 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Ciceda (Post 2967862)
Didn't you guys say that any new 175 AA flying would fall under a WO. Yet it looks like AA just gave 10 years to SkyWest. Interesting.

its different because Skywest is buying the planes not AA...

buddies8 01-30-2020 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Swakid8 (Post 2967912)
its different because Skywest is buying the planes not AA...

oh and aag is not guaranteeing long term contract to cover the cost, right.

senecacaptain 01-30-2020 07:12 PM

seems like AA "network growth" is via regional partners versus AA themselves.

tommy2times 01-30-2020 07:13 PM

This might rub more salt in the old wound but AA is hiring and interviewing lots of Skywest Mainline folks!
I hope THKooj has an explanation for this.

senecacaptain 01-30-2020 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by tommy2times (Post 2967956)
This might rub more salt in the old wound but AA is hiring and interviewing lots of Skywest Mainline folks!
I hope THKooj has an explanation for this.

Skywest is the largest regional out there. All the majors are "interviewing lots of Skywest Pilots"

tommy2times 01-30-2020 07:21 PM


Originally Posted by senecacaptain (Post 2967958)
Skywest is the largest regional out there. All the majors are "interviewing lots of Skywest Pilots"

I wish I was a SkyWest pilot. :rolleyes:

UncreativeUser 01-30-2020 07:53 PM


Originally Posted by tommy2times (Post 2967956)
This might rub more salt in the old wound but AA is hiring and interviewing lots of Skywest Mainline folks!

I hope THKooj has an explanation for this.



Define “lots”


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3400 01-30-2020 08:22 PM

Does this addition of 20 frames mean that 20 other 76 seat aircraft will have to come off to meet scope?

VIRotate 01-30-2020 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by tommy2times (Post 2967956)
This might rub more salt in the old wound but AA is hiring and interviewing lots of Skywest Mainline folks!
I hope THKooj has an explanation for this.

I’ve been checking this thread every hour in hopes for some Kool-Aid. Where you at Jim Jones?

dera 01-30-2020 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by 3400 (Post 2967996)
Does this addition of 20 frames mean that 20 other 76 seat aircraft will have to come off to meet scope?

This leaves 2 possible operators who fly 76 seat feed with non-AA owned planes.

Solar Bear 01-31-2020 04:28 AM

Doesn't AA's scope clause allow larger aircraft to be flown with a 65 or less seat configuration to fit into the "small regional jet" group? That being said, wouldn't it make the most sense to just reconfigure some old 700's or even have skw fly the 175 with less seats?

Dixie320 01-31-2020 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by Solar Bear (Post 2968059)
Doesn't AA's scope clause allow larger aircraft to be flown with a 65 or less seat configuration to fit into the "small regional jet" group? That being said, wouldn't it make the most sense to just reconfigure some old 700's or even have skw fly the 175 with less seats?

Yes; and the SkyWest 700s are all being converted to 65 seats already, if they haven’t been converted yet.

Bringing the 175 down to 65 seats maybe doesn’t make that much sense, since it’s already an 88 seat aircraft that was brought down to 76 (SkyWest has some configured at 70 seats for Delta, and Expressjet 70 seats for United Express).

vortacmeatsac 01-31-2020 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by Dixie320 (Post 2968084)
Yes; and the SkyWest 700s are all being converted to 65 seats already, if they haven’t been converted yet.

Bringing the 175 down to 65 seats maybe doesn’t make that much sense, since it’s already an 88 seat aircraft that was brought down to 76 (SkyWest has some configured at 70 seats for Delta, and Expressjet 70 seats for United Express).

Yea, bringing the 175 down to 65 seats would render the airplane pretty much useless.

pitchattitude 01-31-2020 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by vortacmeatsac (Post 2968213)
Yea, bringing the 175 down to 65 seats would render the airplane pretty much useless.

Certainly not useless. But loses much of the economic advantage it was designed for.

BrntToast 01-31-2020 01:49 PM

I have met 1 Skywest pilot in my class of 59 at AA, he had military experience. Didn’t poll the entire class, but every non wo regional pilot was also military.

NoValueAviator 01-31-2020 02:26 PM

20 AA LRJs at Skywest does mean 20 less at Envoy with the scope agreement and fleet plan the way it is right now. No debating that.

smtx123 01-31-2020 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2968548)
20 AA LRJs at Skywest does mean 20 less at Envoy with the scope agreement and fleet plan the way it is right now. No debating that.

Doesn’t necessarily mean 20 less at just envoy. Just 20 less somewhere that operates 76 seaters, like Mesa or republic as well.


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