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Hey Guys, Chance to get the 175 as a New Hire?

Yes. But zero is also a chance.

Very loaded question with no details.

Ok, As a new hire, No cadet no nothing, late 20's, over 1,700 jet experience not 121 it is an overseas time. What aree the chances to get the 175?

Kind regards

Low. If you want a number, I'll guess 10% chance. Total guess tho.

It's an absolute roll of the dice. Even a cadet that got to pick very first in his or her class could get stuck with the 145 if that is all they offer. If you gotta fly the 175 you should go work for Republic, since that is all they operate.

-Keep the dirty side down

How much is the training pay, 75 guarantee at 50 USD?

they will guarantee you the 175 if you sign an agreement to accept half the minimum guarantee each month.

god help us if they can make that a reality.

I'll take "things you'll now see in your next TA" for $200, Alex.

well. As long as the 175 is the first question people ask, it’s not far fetched :-)

Aircraft/base is bid in class by seniority established the first day. It is cadet program by entry to the program date, prior 121 pilots by flight time, all others by age.

What is being offered and how many, is, as many have said, a roll of the dice. Look at the “Class drop” thread to see what has been offered in class lately. But no guarantees, and there is no way of knowing ahead of time who will be in the class or what is offered. But with your stats, you will be pretty far down the list. So, I would say pretty unlikely.

There are a lot of better reasons to choose an airline. And if that is yours, there are probably better choices than Envoy.

^^this. The reason to come to Envoy is not to fly the 175, that just ends up being a nice perk if you're lucky enough to get awarded it.

it all depends on the mix. The last 3 months, it was likely, the 3 months before that, almost zero. Like others have said, a compete roll of the dice

Am coming up on one year with my current airline and am about to be off probation. Was thinking about making the switch to envoy for the Dallas base and the flow. I’m in my mid 20’s and have a degree, no checkride failures or training failures of any kind. With a little under 400 hours of 121 time it sounds like I’d be in the middle (seniority wise) of a new hire class. I know it’s typically best to avoid lateral moves but my career goal is to retire in the left seat of an A320 or 737 with the best schedule/QOL possible (never had any desire to fly WB aircraft). Any sort of guidance would be greatly appreciated, I promise you won’t hurt my feelings lol TIA!

So if you’re specifically looking for Dallas, just be aware all new hires right now are going to Chicago, both 145 and 175. Which aircraft you get depends on what they offer and your seniority in your class. Today there was a class with 19 175s and 13 145s. May take you a few months to get back to DFW, but definitely doable. There’s a lot of speculation about flow and how Long it’s gonna take, I think if you joined now you’d be looking towards the end of the decade.

if you wanna retire in a narrow body, have you considered just toughing it out currently at your regional until being picked up by Spirit or Frontier? Both solid choices, may not make as much as the majors, but the pay is still great and once you get seniority I’m sure you can get a good QOL. Not trying to steer you away from Envoy tho.

And Spirit does have a DFW base as well.

A lot depends on how long you have left in your career. But the time you lose at Envoy, you may be better staying where you are and then going to the ULLC.

Four HUNDRED hours year one? Stay where you are, apply everywhere on or before the day where you get 1000 hours TPIC.

Thanks for the advice everyone! I figured 400 hours in 12 months was a little on the low side but judging by your response I guess not? It sounds like I’m in a better spot than I had thought. Thanks again!

Again, depending on whether or not an Allegiant, Spirit or Frontier is in your thought process, you should already have an app in with them and update monthly. They are needing people just as much if not more as they lose early and mid level guys as well.

My dude, I had under 150 hours after my first year at Envoy. You’re flying a lot.

He has previous 121 time so would be very senior in his class. Some 175 guys hit close to 1000 first year after IOE.

And when he got to 950 he would be displaced to a Jr 145 Captain on reserve.

I’m guessing that means a long time on reserve? Especially for someone trying to get back to DFW?

Yea but as more and more people flock to the 175 the more junior the 145 will become. You would be able to get to DFW in a couple of months though. It'd just be RSV for maybe 2 years.

No, no-one got displaced this time round. We'll see what happens in April. 300 numbers from the last 175 award, so there's a good chance he might just upgrade to that.

The lines for march in the 45 are Garbage

If you believe the displacements won’t be back then the company has succeeded. The company needs the captains. If they can have a few vacancies that are small, people are going to believe they have to preference and the more preferences, the less seat lock money the company pays for displacements. Probably not the next bid as they are already too late to get captains for the summer rush but they will need to have some big vacancies to get the number of captains they need.

i think dera hit his hours for upgrade and is on denial about having to fly the 145.. FO displacements will keep coming... into the 75.

They might be back, but not en masse as they did in the past. There's a bunch of 2017 and 2018 hires coming up on their hours that are wanting to upgrade.
Also, displacing to 175 will be a thing in the past. Unless they suddenly need to crew let's say 20 additional planes.

Dera can't wait to fly the 145. I heard it's fun. Didn't quite hit the upgrade. I've got a pretty good buffer of FOs junior to me who will be eligible in April, so doubt the displacements reach me. If they do, then I'll go fly the 145. No big deal.

fixed it for ya

February's wasn't that bad. Ever since they got rid of the CDO’s and moved some of the mexico trips to the 175 it is normal to see tons of 11-12 day off lines with 72 credit. You dont really see 16 - 17 or even 18 days off like it used to be.
I dont see why anyone coming from another airline wants to upgrade into it then go reserve then these type of crappy lines. Whatever money they offer, is not worth it.

Do the 145 CA’s in ORD or DFW get to fly much on reserve? I know the FO’s (in DFW at least) do a lot of sitting around on reserve. Time building is probably what is most important to me at this point in my career. Luckily the wife’s job pays well and money isn’t a huge issue at the moment.

In ORD they are zeroed out on CAs pretty much every day (everyone is used). Looking at Jan it looks like the average RSV flew 40-50 hours. The low was around 20 and the high was 82. DFW it looks a little lower, but it’s also winter. I’m guessing ORD always goes through more RSVs in winter than DFW.

DFW usually hits 0 on the list the day before and they get turned back and JM often. DCE rsv will fly A LOT.

i don't know id they will actually fly a lot, they will get used a lot. I see reserve guys doing 1-2-1-1 for a total of maybe 7 hours for 4 days.
JM is never a good thing, specially when you’re down to 11 days off AND if you happen to commute, well there goes your QOL.

True... I should rephrase and say they get used a lot but not really flying a lot. A lot of the DFW legs on the mighty 145 are inside of 01/25 of flight time so that doesn’t help. Agreed 100% on the JM note. Submit RTD and wait for the next one to happen!