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CaptainEnvoy 02-06-2020 01:27 AM

Elogsite is gone forever?
 
Anyone heard anything from elogsite? The sync function was down for few months already. The guy was updating it manually, but now he’s is not even responding.

Any decent alternative? Logtenpro?

highfarfast 02-06-2020 02:17 AM


Originally Posted by CaptainEnvoy (Post 2971816)
Anyone heard anything from elogsite? The sync function was down for few months already. The guy was updating it manually, but now he’s is not even responding.

Any decent alternative? Logtenpro?

Sync function has been down for nearly a year now. I only got him to update mine manually once. Really would like to hear of another option that automatically pulls data from Envoy.

Cyio 02-06-2020 03:00 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2971822)
Sync function has been down for nearly a year now. I only got him to update mine manually once. Really would like to hear of another option that automatically pulls data from Envoy.

I have recently had him update manually for me. Not sure why it isn’t working for you. I will say that I have gone back to recording my flights manually now.

smtx123 02-06-2020 03:43 AM

Someone posted on the elogsite Facebook page last week and he responded. He said that he’s working on it still, but is adding a feature where you can manually put in your pay sheets and it will update that way. He said first week of February, We’ll see about that.

highfarfast 02-06-2020 05:34 AM


Originally Posted by smtx123 (Post 2971841)
Someone posted on the elogsite Facebook page last week and he responded. He said that he’s working on it still, but is adding a feature where you can manually put in your pay sheets and it will update that way. He said first week of February, We’ll see about that.

I would be good with that. And it’s good to hear that elogsite isn’t dead.

NoValueAviator 02-06-2020 05:38 AM

The guy has been pretty clear about working on it, and the reasons why it has not been updated. Don’t understand the sky-is-falling panic every week, especially if you’ve held on this long. It’s just a more convenient logbook. Go buy one at Sportys if you’re unhappy.

But seriously 02-06-2020 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2971893)
The guy has been pretty clear about working on it, and the reasons why it has not been updated. Don’t understand the sky-is-falling panic every week, especially if you’ve held on this long. It’s just a more convenient logbook. Go buy one at Sportys if you’re unhappy.

I haven’t heard any sky is falling panic. I am, however, super ****ed that I renewed more than 6 months ago and he won’t either fix his product or give me a refund. If there is anyone out there considering either renewing or buying this service please be advised that you’d be better off just lighting you cash on fire. At least you’d be warm for a few seconds.

highfarfast 02-06-2020 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 2971893)
The guy has been pretty clear about working on it, and the reasons why it has not been updated. Don’t understand the sky-is-falling panic every week, especially if you’ve held on this long. It’s just a more convenient logbook. Go buy one at Sportys if you’re unhappy.

He’s been clear? Where? On facebook? I’m not on facebook. I send him the email for the manual update every once in a while and nothing happens. Clearly seems abandoned from that point of view. Like I said in the prior post, it’s good to hear he’s still working on it.

Cyio 02-06-2020 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2971911)
He’s been clear? Where? On facebook? I’m not on facebook. I send him the email for the manual update every once in a while and nothing happens. Clearly seems abandoned from that point of view. Like I said in the prior post, it’s good to hear he’s still working on it.

Do you put the proper subject line in? I only ask because he is pretty quick with getting me updates.

highfarfast 02-06-2020 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2971972)
Do you put the proper subject line in? I only ask because he is pretty quick with getting me updates.

Yep. Manually typed in. Copy and pasted in. Doesn’t matter. The one time he did it manually, I sent a separate email asking what’s up and suddenly “poof” it was done almost immediately. He replied with something along the lines of he didn’t know why he wasn’t seeing my emails. This was last summer. In any case, it’s not something super pressing since I don’t have a pending interview (I’ve been just using the monthly totals in decs to update the apps) but I was getting concerned enough to start keeping an eye out for a program that could pull data from Envoy the way elogsite does.

UncreativeUser 02-06-2020 10:01 AM

Apparently theres a few companies trying to compete now, check the FB pages

kaptainkirk90 02-06-2020 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2972085)
Apparently theres a few companies trying to compete now, check the FB pages

Which FB pages? I looked at the elogsite page but didn't see anything. Could you post links to those or the competing companies?

My experience with elogsite has been the same as most others. After months of e-mails I managed to get a manual update squeaked through. I also got charged when it was supposed to be free but did get a refund after those numerous e-mails.

What's annoying me however is that there are discrepancies between the total times DECS gives me and what was produced by elogsite. Several posts on this forum have mentioned there might be a way to get a breakdown of times directly from DECS. Anyone here know about this?

But seriously 02-06-2020 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by kaptainkirk90 (Post 2972310)
Which FB pages? I looked at the elogsite page but didn't see anything. Could you post links to those or the competing companies?

My experience with elogsite has been the same as most others. After months of e-mails I managed to get a manual update squeaked through. I also got charged when it was supposed to be free but did get a refund after those numerous e-mails.

What's annoying me however is that there are discrepancies between the total times DECS gives me and what was produced by elogsite. Several posts on this forum have mentioned there might be a way to get a breakdown of times directly from DECS. Anyone here know about this?

you can get a breakdown of exactly what you did from your Pay/Activity Sheets on Epays. It’s not particularly easy to read or user friendly, but all the info is there.

UncreativeUser 02-06-2020 06:11 PM


Originally Posted by kaptainkirk90 (Post 2972310)
Which FB pages? I looked at the elogsite page but didn't see anything. Could you post links to those or the competing companies?



My experience with elogsite has been the same as most others. After months of e-mails I managed to get a manual update squeaked through. I also got charged when it was supposed to be free but did get a refund after those numerous e-mails.



What's annoying me however is that there are discrepancies between the total times DECS gives me and what was produced by elogsite. Several posts on this forum have mentioned there might be a way to get a breakdown of times directly from DECS. Anyone here know about this?



One is www.endeveran.com/crosscheckhub and the other is www.AAirlog.com

The Endeveran one looks pretty legit and it is being done by a company that has apparently worked with Cirrus Aircraft, so it could be the better if the two if they are actually dedicating a development team to do it.

AAirlog seems cool but is being done by 2 pilots who develop on the side. Not much different from e log site. What happens when these guys flow? Probably the same thing.

I’m probably gonna go with Endeveran if they can make a replacement, I’m kinda ticked of being behind on my logbook because the developer flowed


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highfarfast 02-06-2020 11:07 PM


Originally Posted by kaptainkirk90 (Post 2972310)
Which FB pages? I looked at the elogsite page but didn't see anything. Could you post links to those or the competing companies?

My experience with elogsite has been the same as most others. After months of e-mails I managed to get a manual update squeaked through. I also got charged when it was supposed to be free but did get a refund after those numerous e-mails.

What's annoying me however is that there are discrepancies between the total times DECS gives me and what was produced by elogsite. Several posts on this forum have mentioned there might be a way to get a breakdown of times directly from DECS. Anyone here know about this?

Regarding the discrepancies, every once in a while a deadhead will slip through and be treated like a flight you worked in elogsite. Using DECS monthly totals, it’s pretty easy to go back and find the erroneous flights without that much digging through your pay sheets. That said, our DECS monthly totals only go back a year so if elogsite is down for 13 month, it’s pretty much worthless as far as I’m concerned.

kaptainkirk90 02-07-2020 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 2972320)
you can get a breakdown of exactly what you did from your Pay/Activity Sheets on Epays. It’s not particularly easy to read or user friendly, but all the info is there.

It definitely isn't. Never looked at them before (bad I know) but I've learned a lot in a short period of time. The problem is you really have to know the details if you want times to match. Most codes I know (DH, OP, CX, RM, etc) but there are some...like CL I came across recently...that I have no idea and there's nothing I can find that defines them.


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2972351)
One is www.endeveran.com/crosscheckhub and the other is www.AAirlog.com

The Endeveran one looks pretty legit and it is being done by a company that has apparently worked with Cirrus Aircraft, so it could be the better if the two if they are actually dedicating a development team to do it.

AAirlog seems cool but is being done by 2 pilots who develop on the side. Not much different from e log site. What happens when these guys flow? Probably the same thing.

I’m probably gonna go with Endeveran if they can make a replacement, I’m kinda ticked of being behind on my logbook because the developer flowed


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Thanks a lot for posting those. I will have a look at them.


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 2972442)
Regarding the discrepancies, every once in a while a deadhead will slip through and be treated like a flight you worked in elogsite. Using DECS monthly totals, it’s pretty easy to go back and find the erroneous flights without that much digging through your pay sheets. That said, our DECS monthly totals only go back a year so if elogsite is down for 13 month, it’s pretty much worthless as far as I’m concerned.

I didn't know about the monthly totals in DECS. Just HI7Y. Can't seem to find a monthly totals entry in Griff's Sabre Guide...would you be able to tell me what that entry is......nevermind it's 7V/employee number....thanks!

AAirLog 02-10-2020 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2972351)
One is www.endeveran.com/crosscheckhub and the other is www.AAirlog.com

The Endeveran one looks pretty legit and it is being done by a company that has apparently worked with Cirrus Aircraft, so it could be the better if the two if they are actually dedicating a development team to do it.

AAirlog seems cool but is being done by 2 pilots who develop on the side. Not much different from e log site. What happens when these guys flow? Probably the same thing.

I’m probably gonna go with Endeveran if they can make a replacement, I’m kinda ticked of being behind on my logbook because the developer flowed


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Hey UncreativeUser, just thought I would address your concerns with AAirLog real quick as I am one of the creators. Contrary to what rumors are circulating, only one of us is a pilot. Both of us are former aerospace engineering grad students with an extensive background in programming. We have started a tech company for the purpose of creating digital products that serve unique purposes.

Approaching my 3 -year anniversary I have personally witnessed people's growing frustration with elogsite. While I can understand Justice's workload, I also sympathize with everyone (including myself) who has paid money up front and came out empty handed. Therefore I wanted to assure proper staffing to provide sufficient product launch as well as long term support and feel quite confident that this is the case.

Similarly to elogsite the process of obtaining your flight time is fully automatic; a few extra features such as advanced searching filtering, crew display and dashboard hopefully enhance the user experience.

The pricing structure is intentionally tailored to assure transparency and flexibility. The monthly subscription model allow you to cancel anytime and still access all of your imported flights, thereby reducing the risk of losing money ever again.

UncreativeUser 02-15-2020 07:08 AM

Elogsite is gone forever?
 

Originally Posted by AAirLog (Post 2974391)
Hey UncreativeUser, just thought I would address your concerns with AAirLog real quick as I am one of the creators. Contrary to what rumors are circulating, only one of us is a pilot. Both of us are former aerospace engineering grad students with an extensive background in programming. We have started a tech company for the purpose of creating digital products that serve unique purposes.



Approaching my 3 -year anniversary I have personally witnessed people's growing frustration with elogsite. While I can understand Justice's workload, I also sympathize with everyone (including myself) who has paid money up front and came out empty handed. Therefore I wanted to assure proper staffing to provide sufficient product launch as well as long term support and feel quite confident that this is the case.



Similarly to elogsite the process of obtaining your flight time is fully automatic; a few extra features such as advanced searching filtering, crew display and dashboard hopefully enhance the user experience.



The pricing structure is intentionally tailored to assure transparency and flexibility. The monthly subscription model allow you to cancel anytime and still access all of your imported flights, thereby reducing the risk of losing money ever again.



That’s cool and I understand that, but your methodology of obtaining the hours, at least from what I understand, is that you are going into the system and logging in on our behalf and obtaining hours that way. Is that even legal? The website looks really cool though, well done on that I must say.

Much respect that your an aerospace engineer but I don’t see how that really makes you a great software developer either. That is evident by the fact that your website got BLOCKED by AAG the day it launched, which again makes me wonder if what you’re process of obtaining hours is even legal.


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Cyio 02-15-2020 08:18 AM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2977428)
That’s cool and I understand that, but your methodology of obtaining the hours, at least from what I understand, is that you are going into the system and logging in on our behalf and obtaining hours that way. Is that even legal? The website looks really cool though, well done on that I must say.

Much respect that your an aerospace engineer but I don’t see how that really makes you a great software developer either. That is evident by the fact that your website got BLOCKED by AAG the day it launched, which again makes me wonder if what you’re process of obtaining hours is even legal.


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Pretty sure logging in on our behalf is against the rules. If the site acted simply as an interface with a prompt that you had to enter the details of your login each time, I am fairly confident that is kosher. Much like elogsite, you are required to enter your JetNet credentials each time it pulls new data.

UncreativeUser 02-15-2020 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2977483)
Pretty sure logging in on our behalf is against the rules. If the site acted simply as an interface with a prompt that you had to enter the details of your login each time, I am fairly confident that is kosher. Much like elogsite, you are required to enter your JetNet credentials each time it pulls new data.



I was fairly confident too until the one guy announced that AAG blocked their access. Case and point.

That’s why e log site got kicked out too. Here’s the real solution. How about Envoy publishes our hours from CCI, I think that would solve this whole thing but I’m not holding my breath lol


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Cyio 02-15-2020 08:31 AM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2977488)
I was fairly confident too until the one guy announced that AAG blocked their access. Case and point.

That’s why e log site got kicked out too. Here’s the real solution. How about Envoy publishes our hours from CCI, I think that would solve this whole thing but I’m not holding my breath lol


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The less transparency Envoy management has to give the better in their minds. It serves them to make the pay program here as difficult to understand as possible.

pitchattitude 02-15-2020 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 2977483)
Pretty sure logging in on our behalf is against the rules. If the site acted simply as an interface with a prompt that you had to enter the details of your login each time, I am fairly confident that is kosher. Much like elogsite, you are required to enter your JetNet credentials each time it pulls new data.

How does QuickBid do it? I thought they do essentially the same thing.

Cyio 02-15-2020 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 2977513)
How does QuickBid do it? I thought they do essentially the same thing.

They do but I have a feeling that several day outage last year was partially due to this issue. Perhaps they have secured the transmission of the log in data. I don’t know I’m no expert on that field, just speculation.

UncreativeUser 02-15-2020 12:52 PM

From my understanding, QuickTrade caused an outage that messed up Sabre and QuickTrade was shut down temporarily. Because of this, no more third party apps can access Sabre directly like Quick Trade did. So QT essentially is safe while any other apps will he blocked from accessing Sabre directly.


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dera 02-15-2020 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 2977659)
From my understanding, QuickTrade caused an outage that messed up Sabre and QuickTrade was shut down temporarily. Because of this, no more third party apps can access Sabre directly like Quick Trade did. So QT essentially is safe while any other apps will he blocked from accessing Sabre directly.


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nope. Qt is not safe.

Notakeofflaps 02-15-2020 01:00 PM

If you need you hours, email RW. He will provide them.

pitchattitude 02-15-2020 01:47 PM

I heard, can’t remember where, when I was looking for options to log my time a while back, that we could get a file from operations, specifically RN, that had our flight information.

I haven’t pursued this. The big question is if this information is available, either from someone with access inside the company or through accessing SABRE, why can’t we access it ourselves so the third party apps don’t have security issues?

JonSnow 02-15-2020 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 2977661)
nope. Qt is not safe.

why QT is not safe?

HalyardJammer 02-15-2020 09:25 PM


Originally Posted by JonSnow (Post 2977766)
why QT is not safe?

Because it was shut down once before and it can again.

MqWhistleblower 02-16-2020 02:04 AM


Originally Posted by HalyardJammer (Post 2977882)
Because it was shut down once before and it can again.

this company will never shut down QT bc few people know how to pick up OT/trip trade etc. on decs.

ParkingatMIA 03-17-2020 11:38 AM

Do you think Justice will finally get around to fixing elogsite if/when they stop the domestic flights? Wishful thinking.

UncreativeUser 03-17-2020 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by ParkingatMIA (Post 3001613)
Do you think Justice will finally get around to fixing elogsite if/when they stop the domestic flights? Wishful thinking.


What good would that do, no ones hiring anymore outside us at least


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ParkingatMIA 03-17-2020 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 3001627)
What good would that do, no ones hiring anymore outside us at least


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Keeping those apps updated still. When AA starts hiring again it might be faster to get in OTS vs waiting for flow.

UncreativeUser 06-03-2020 12:51 AM

AAirlog is shut down. Another one bites the dust...


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highfarfast 06-03-2020 02:38 AM


Originally Posted by UncreativeUser (Post 3069278)
AAirlog is shut down. Another one bites the dust...


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Well, elogsite just changed its FAQ to say it’s working now. But I can’t log in so I don’t know. lol

UncreativeUser 06-03-2020 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3069283)
Well, elogsite just changed its FAQ to say it’s working now. But I can’t log in so I don’t know. lol


Give me a break, that guy.... I will never EVER trust him again. He’s lies about as much as our “LAX Cheif Pilot” guy we had running around here last year [emoji23]

There’s no way the company approved his app. Maybe they approved his “vision” (a typo he so eloquently neglected to type out correctly). One got shut down, then other got blocked access. Any one who connects to Sabre is getting whacked, so I don’t trust any apps that connect with Sabre or DECS. It makes sense cause they’re not official AAG


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smtx123 06-03-2020 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3069283)
Well, elogsite just changed its FAQ to say it’s working now. But I can’t log in so I don’t know. lol

just got off the phone with the guy that runs the site. They’re uploading the new version this Friday, and will be beta testing this weekend. Should be available to everyone next week. So far, he says it is still approved by the company. I was locked out of my account, this is due to them stopping all renewals. Just gotta call and get him to reactivate your account. We shall see next week

Cyio 06-03-2020 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by smtx123 (Post 3069572)
just got off the phone with the guy that runs the site. They’re uploading the new version this Friday, and will be beta testing this weekend. Should be available to everyone next week. So far, he says it is still approved by the company. I was locked out of my account, this is due to them stopping all renewals. Just gotta call and get him to reactivate your account. We shall see next week

Thats good news. He has always been pretty good to me so I am glad that the new version is coming.

dera 06-03-2020 12:49 PM

Approved by AAG?
I wouldn't spend my money.

Cyio 06-03-2020 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3069582)
Approved by AAG?
I wouldn't spend my money.

While you could be right, the only way I see them OK with it is because it doesn't really cost them anything to let us have access to our hours. Unlike QT, it doesn't make it easier for us to make money.

Either way, I am pretty sure everyone is getting it free this year due to all the issues.


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