About the airframe you are assigned
 

If i get the interview and if i get the job, are you stuck with the airframe you are assigned in class for the remainder of your time at envoy? Can you bid to other airframes if assigned to the 145 and down the road want to fly the 170. From what I've read it seems that depending on what airframe you're flying your personal experience can be vastly different from one pilot to another.

you can upgrade to be a CA on a different airframe once you've got the hours and seniority

Yes. A difference in airframe can lead to a vastly different experience at the Envoy.

First Officers can NOT bid to another airframe as FO. When you upgrade to captain you can bid to a different plane. A limited number of captains can also bid to another plane if not seat locked due to training.

How long is the seat lock for captains?

23.5ish months from the time you start training.

zero if you proffer to displace to CA.

Zero displacements on the last bid, which caused a flow delay now for senior FOs who thought they'd get displaced. We'll see what happens on the next bid.

if im that close to flowing, horrible move waiting to get displaced

Nothing like losing $100k in career end earnings to make extra 5 hours a month for a year.

Yah pretty dumb move. I’m all for working all parts of the contract to your advantage, but if you’re relying on the CA upgrade to flow, it’s pretty dumb to to not pref bid to make sure you’re safe.

Was there really anyone within 15 months of flowing that this applies to? I’ve heard there were some that were out on LOAs that hadn’t upgraded, but they should have been able to get whatever their seniority would hold when they came back. If they choose not to take a captain seat, then no pity.

Yes.

Fillerfiller.

There couldn't have been a lot. I was looking at the latest union list and there are very few FOs less than 1.5 years from flow and that's not even taking into consideration that not all of them may be qualified.

Many of us are on Mil leave and flow next year. Some of us haven’t upgraded yet. When is the next Vacancy bid coming out? July?

They are usually every 3 months (think the last one was 4 months though) but we were talking about those that didn't bother to preference bid hoping to get displaced. I really don't know the ins and outs of Mil leave so I might be wrong but I don't think you can bid anyway if you're inactive so that part of the discussion doesn't really apply to those that are currently out.

Next one should be in April. Need to be in active status to bid.

So are you gonna put the145 in your bid or hold out for the 175?

If you have been out on mil leave for that long, and not upgraded, it has been by choice. And like I said in my previous post, when you come back from mil leave you can get whatever your seniority will hold. Not sure on what that does to seat lock, but if you’re already danger close to flowing, you shouldn’t be worried about that and you’ve had plenty of opportunities.

It includes a 12 month lock.

I wasn’t referring to that. I didn’t really state what I meant clearly. I was referring to whether or not it would be considered a preference or not and eligibility for the training lock and eligibility for the 5 hours of pay if you chose to accept it as such.

If you preference bid for a seat, no seat lock pay.

If you proffer to displace or get displaced, you get the seat lock pay assuming you send in the decs message and seat lock yourself within 14 days of award.

Again, understood, but this is in reference to someone returning from a military LOA where you can get what your seniority will hold. Not sure if that is considered a preference for seat lock pay. I would presume it is, but not sure. Depending on the individual, they might have been displaced had they NOT been on LOA and for returning military USERA basically requires to be reinstated as if there had been no LOA.

You're seat lock vie the preference bid if you preference bid so there is no opportunity to volunteer for the seat lock to take the extra pay.

I don't see a way to know whether one would have been displaced on a prior bid of which they didn't bid since we don't know what that person's bid would have been.

If you return to any position other than the one you previously held, the company considers it as you having proffered for that position. The only exception is if your previous position no longer exists (if you were on the CRJ for instance).

So let me get this straight. If a CRJ FO went on MIL leave and then tries to return to the company 2 years later would the Captain LOA apply to him? Wasn’t it signed last year?

It applies, so they would not get displaced. Just like they did not displace other pilots who were not active. Displacement is not a benefit.

There are several LOAs that address displaced CAs. To my knowledge, the company has a different interpretation for each of them. I’m not sure if that situation has been tested to see how they treat it.