Recession survival thread
 

Not trying to fear monger here, but I can't believe no one is discussing this. The global economy is screeching to a halt, the U.S. markets have fallen nearly 30% in the last couple of weeks. No one knows where the bottom is going to be, but with whole industries shutting their doors for at least two months, things will likely get worse before we see an improvement. AA has given options to their pilots to take a voluntary leave of absence this year. But no word on how we will be affected yet. Supposedly there will be some sort of airline bailout package, but no details as of yet. I hope I'm wrong in all this, but now is the time to start planning and preparing. Especially those on the bottom 50% of the seniority list.

Just stating facts. Do you have any contrary info?

I recall last time around one of the airlines (NWA or one of their commuters?) published a survival brochure for their furloughees which included tips on dumpster diving. Completely serious.

Everyone in this profession should know how this all works. We’ve been here before and it’ll happen again.

I don’t care where you are on the seniority list, if you (not you personally) haven’t made a plan B or C, you’ve got nobody to blame but yourself.

My plan B is to accept the company's generous offer to sit at home w/ greatly reduced pay but apparently they want me to die of corona stranded in a hotel 2000 miles from home and replace me with a displaced TSA guy.

Not an encouraging com from the MEC


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Solidarity, gents.

is it on the website? I didn’t get an email?

Goodness. Standby to standby, I guess.

are they NORDO or what com are folks referring to?

check your email. "COVID Update" from ENYMEC-Fastread.

brief description of the email from what I can tell. “You guys are not mainline you don't get tish” is what the company is saying.

Correction, you get sani-wipes!

ackshually....... told today by our FA that there’s a shortage of those too

all of this is correct except the first sentence. Who ISN’T discussing this? It’s the only conversation I’ve I with anyone for the last few days.

Taken from the DFW LEC Comm just sent out:

This is completely unacceptable in the current climate. We need information and protection to do our jobs. The company is dropping the ball big time right now. If this thing starts spreading around between crews at work because the company does not have procedures in place, we will all pay a very big price.

yup I emailed the union about this all they said was sorry cant help ya, this is well outside our scope. Guess my union money will continue to go towards LVA stickers and free drinks down in Euless as usual.

and snacks, don’t forget the snacks brah, for Gods sake!

New MEC commo out re COVID-19 and the company. Check your email.

BLUF: mgt doesn't care about you re COVID-19.

https://i.imgflip.com/3t0192.jpg

In all seriousness, that's ****ing absurd. That's the first company negotiation I've heard that hasn't ended with "here's a tool to help if you get impacted by Covid-19."

You misunderstood the point of my post. Our union doesn't have the power to enact the changes needed on their own. The union is willing and able to engage the company on the issues we need addressed, but no one at the company will discuss this with them.

Let's save the union bashing for another day and realize who is really to blame here.

The union sent out a really good email- I personally liked it. It just sucks how this company completely disregards everything, from point A to Z.

Yup, I think senior management could stand to read a book about real leadership. In fact, I have one they can borrow.

with the shortage of TP, now it would be a great time to wipe my a** with that book.

in all fairness alpa just sent out an email with the steps they’ve followed to engage the company into some type of agreement but looks like Envoy is dismissing any kind of discussion.

It’s a standoff. If the company caves and has to pay us to not work for our safety, they lose. If we as a pilot group collectively decide to not work to protect ourselves and family, they win.

ALPA or our MEC should release a press statement informing the public that the pilots of their routes on the specific aircraft Envoy flies don’t get the same health protections they the big jets get. It’s the truth but once again I fear our MEC is terrified of any repercussions and will just send out nice emails saying how mad they are and actually do nothing.

I mean if you don't come into contact with immunocompromised/elderly folks regularly and you don't have much else that needs tending to in the near future why not just go to work and get tested at the end of each trip (assuming you can find a free or cheap location near home). Once you get sick (and you will), take the two weeks paid leave and play Xbox. Maybe by the end of the two weeks enough damage will have been done that we get some action.

I can't believe Envoy's response here is "go to work until you get sick, peasants".

Well what about commuters and those with small kids? Not to mention there are no tests that work fast, so you are looking at a minimum of 24 hours.

yeah I hear they’re expensive and limited in quantity

Sorry I was mostly being facetious. It's just an awful situation and Envoy doesn't even want to act like they have our best interests on their radar.

according to WHO:
”Most estimates of the incubation period for COVID-19 range from 1-14 days, most commonly around five days.”

Yeah it's actually pretty shocking, idk why though. Guess it's been too long since I was on reserve on the 145, starting to forget how much contempt they have for us.

I hope AA doesn’t get a bailout. The vast majority of their free cash flow (billions) went to stock buy backs. The company needs to go into BK, the BOD fired, and bring in new leadership.

Also, if any of you think we’re going to come out of this unscathed, you better adjust your thinking and expectation management. Prepare for pay cuts, the ‘f’ word, displacements/downgrades, etc.

United just announced they’re cutting 60% capacity. Delta is down 40% and reevaluating demand daily. American is still assessing damage and the axe is about to drop.

Isn't that the entire point of the union? If they are impotent then why even bother having them around?

Our union is for "show" at best. I had made a post the day before, but it was stealthily deleted with no notice given. The union at our level is here to collect money from us and feed it up the ALPA food chain. The union always acts like it matters but really nothing ever gets done until management wanted it done anyway. The reps are to afraid of any repercussions to actually stand up to the company, so it just becomes an act.

I used to believe in the union, but not anymore as I have seen time and time again they have no teeth or lack the will to use them. Unfortunate really. Also, before anyone jumps down my throat, I understand the RLA, I have volunterreed and I can understand the fear of repercussion, but its because of these that I accept our money given is just to feed the mainline unions legal efforts.

The other crappy thing is that while we are an AA wholly owned, we are a separate union so they have zero incentive to take care of us from above.

The power of unions comes from withholding labor. It is currently illegal to do that.