pitchattitude

Just like everything else you post. Half baked half truths. There is no university requirement for the pipeline program. Certainly no “pipeline” aviation school. Do some of them, sure. I’ve known some very sharp individuals who were cadets. But their experience from the cadet program was not what made them sharp. My training partner when I upgraded was one of the “cadet of the year” awardees. Incredibly smart. But he had no concept of what airline operations were about or even CRM or flying as a crew. Because his year as a cadet was all about flying zombie like as much as he could to build time. I would venture to say he flew the same 20 hours of experience about 75 times. No exposure to aviation outside the training environment. He was a second career guy who came to aviation with an MBA. He at least had life experience outside the cadet program, something many cadets don’t have. Many cadets literally have NO employment experience outside being a cadet instructor. If they don’t question anything, it might just well be because they don’t have enough experience to know they should.

As much as it sounds like I’m just bashing cadets, I’m not. It’s just that your perspective on cadets being better than a military background or off the street pilot is, like everything else, very tainted with KoolAid colored grasses.

skyemiles2

I did but people keep quoting it.

APCbot

Everytime I think you can't post anything dumber, you prove me wrong.

ClappedOut145

I have to ask, did you live under powerlines as a kid? Maybe chase after the school bus and inhale a little too much diesel exhaust? Seriously. It's ok to admit that you have been thrown out of Walmart for hanging out by the Krylon with a paper bag and huffing the samples. I would much rather be paired up with an RTAG pilot who knows how to handle the pressure that comes with being shot at will small arms fire in mountainous terrain than a cadet who is more concerned with what his bros at Phi Delta Theta are doing for the Bloated Belly Beer Bash to Battle Bulimia.

jake cutter

Is this why we have a technical bulletin out now on how to land the 175?

Battlinbear

GD that was some of the stupidest nonsense i’ve ever read. We all know he has no idea what he is talking about w the MIL pilots. I had some issues w mil helo guys in the sim, but they all passed. Fortunate to have been at AA now for a while, and I can say w a scientific certitude swinging gear for a previous commander has been incredible to be apart of. Esp the Annapolis Grads, The AF dudes are great, but damn the best pilots i’ve flown w have been mil guys. love to see a cadet try and fuel a sr 71 out of Kadina wout wetting their pants. This debate is so stupid. Look at them cadets in Europe. they sure are the definition of “Aviator” after 5 hours of touch and goes in a 330 w 250 hours. Been a honor to work w some of these guys, Fishing w one on his 47 foot Viking parked out back wasn’t awful either.

Cyio

I have long been a defender of non-military pilots getting a fair shack when it comes to recruiting at the majors. I dont see a huge difference between a three year captain at a regional and someone fresh out of the military in terms of flying skills. However, this nonsense that "the one who shall not be named" keeps posting about the pipeline pilots is utter ridiculousness. They have zero real world commercial flying experience other than teaching other pipeline pilots how to fly. Sure they are smart, driven people but in reality come to us green.

pitchattitude

Bingo. Just as I have said. Do they have POTENTIAL, yes. But they have no real world experience when they leave the cadet program.

madcow

Did you ever get an answer? I’m wondering the same thing: Are Envoy cadets continuing to get health and flight benefits while line pilots get furloughed?

Crimson5

spoke with several cadets in the program currently and all of them still have their flight benefits. They haven’t heard anything about them going away.