View Poll Results: What % of Envoy Pilots Get Furloughed?
0%
22
10.38%
1-10%
32
15.09%
11-20%
70
33.02%
21-30%
28
13.21%
31-40%
15
7.08%
> 40%
45
21.23%
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Envoy Furlough Estimates
07-01-2020, 10:57 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by Voski
This thread deserves a bump in light of the new RW email. Looks like those that guessed 11-20% are right insofar of "the best case scenario" (i.e. the minimum amount of pilots furloughed).
07-01-2020, 11:03 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by FUPMEagle
15% reduction in aircraft. I don't think that also corresponds to a 15% cut in staffing. The number of furloughs will likely be a higher percentage 20-30%.
07-01-2020, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
What makes you think personnel will be significantly more than aircraft? I can see having a slightly higher reduction because with a lack of attention, they don’t need extra people in the training pipeline to replenish.
07-01-2020, 05:16 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by FUPMEagle
Not only do you not need to staff the aircraft, but you can also axe any extra staffing such as enough reserve pilots.
07-01-2020, 09:08 PM
#26
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Envoy has always been overstaffed because it doesn't matter if Envoy is profitable. We are just a subset of AAs labor group. We exist to keep the planes departing on time. There is a lot of room to squeeze more productivity out of each pilot if that was Envoy's purpose. We are still a deep discount to the mainline pilots. They can have 3 of us for every 1 at mainline.
Places that have their own balance sheets (Mesa, Skywest, GoJet, etc) they don't have hundreds of pilots sitting around logging 200 hrs per year on reserve. They want every pilot on their payroll logging as close to 1000 hrs a year as possible. When they get short staffed, the JMs, reassignments, and extensions get passed out like Halloween candy.
Places that have their own balance sheets (Mesa, Skywest, GoJet, etc) they don't have hundreds of pilots sitting around logging 200 hrs per year on reserve. They want every pilot on their payroll logging as close to 1000 hrs a year as possible. When they get short staffed, the JMs, reassignments, and extensions get passed out like Halloween candy.
07-02-2020, 05:01 AM
#27
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The airline industry is in a crisis. Its business model doesn't work with
the current level of capacity in the marketplace. We need to make changes in response.
While there have been several successful fare increases, those increases
haven't been sufficient to cover the reduced demand. As fares increase,
fewer customers will fly. As fewer customers fly, we will need to reduce our
capacity to match the reduced demand. As we reduce our capacity, we will
need fewer employees to operate the airline. Although these changes will be
painful, we must adapt to the reality of today's market to successfully
navigate these difficult times.
Therefore, a program to phase out the more senior pilots by the end of the
current fiscal year, via retirement, will be placed into effect immediately.
Under this plan, senior pilots will be asked to take early retirement, thus
permitting the retention of the new-hires who represent our future. This
program will be known as SLAP (Sever Late-Aged Pilots). Pilots who are
SLAPPED will be given the opportunity to look for jobs outside the company.
SLAPPED Pilots can request a review of their employment records before
actual retirement takes place. This review phase of the program is called
SCREW (Survey of Capabilities of Retired Early Workers). All pilots who have
been SLAPPED and SCREWED may file an appeal with upper management. This
appeal is called SHAFT (Study by Higher Authority Following Termination) .
Under the terms of the new policy, a pilot may be SLAPPED once, SCREWED
twice, but may be SHAFTED as many times as the company deems appropriate.
If a pilot follows the above procedure, he/she will be entitled to get:
HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel's Early Severance) or CLAP
(Combined Lump sum Assistance Payment). As HERPES and CLAP are considered
benefit plans, any pilot who has received HERPES or CLAP will no longer be
SLAPPED or SCREWED by the company.
Management wishes to assure the younger pilots who remain on board that the
company will continue its policy of training pilots through our: Special
High Intensity Training (SH!T). We take pride in the amount of SH!T our
pilots receive. We have given our pilots more SH!T than any company in this
area. If any pilot feels they do not receive enough SH!T on the job, see
your Chief Pilot. Your Chief Pilot is specially trained to make sure you
receive all the SH!T you can handle.
Once again, thanks for all your years of service with us.
Sincerely, Your Well-compensated Golden-parachute-in-position Senior VP
Management Leadership Team
the current level of capacity in the marketplace. We need to make changes in response.
While there have been several successful fare increases, those increases
haven't been sufficient to cover the reduced demand. As fares increase,
fewer customers will fly. As fewer customers fly, we will need to reduce our
capacity to match the reduced demand. As we reduce our capacity, we will
need fewer employees to operate the airline. Although these changes will be
painful, we must adapt to the reality of today's market to successfully
navigate these difficult times.
Therefore, a program to phase out the more senior pilots by the end of the
current fiscal year, via retirement, will be placed into effect immediately.
Under this plan, senior pilots will be asked to take early retirement, thus
permitting the retention of the new-hires who represent our future. This
program will be known as SLAP (Sever Late-Aged Pilots). Pilots who are
SLAPPED will be given the opportunity to look for jobs outside the company.
SLAPPED Pilots can request a review of their employment records before
actual retirement takes place. This review phase of the program is called
SCREW (Survey of Capabilities of Retired Early Workers). All pilots who have
been SLAPPED and SCREWED may file an appeal with upper management. This
appeal is called SHAFT (Study by Higher Authority Following Termination) .
Under the terms of the new policy, a pilot may be SLAPPED once, SCREWED
twice, but may be SHAFTED as many times as the company deems appropriate.
If a pilot follows the above procedure, he/she will be entitled to get:
HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel's Early Severance) or CLAP
(Combined Lump sum Assistance Payment). As HERPES and CLAP are considered
benefit plans, any pilot who has received HERPES or CLAP will no longer be
SLAPPED or SCREWED by the company.
Management wishes to assure the younger pilots who remain on board that the
company will continue its policy of training pilots through our: Special
High Intensity Training (SH!T). We take pride in the amount of SH!T our
pilots receive. We have given our pilots more SH!T than any company in this
area. If any pilot feels they do not receive enough SH!T on the job, see
your Chief Pilot. Your Chief Pilot is specially trained to make sure you
receive all the SH!T you can handle.
Once again, thanks for all your years of service with us.
Sincerely, Your Well-compensated Golden-parachute-in-position Senior VP
Management Leadership Team
07-02-2020, 06:10 AM
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Posts: 40
Originally Posted by tommy2times
The airline industry is in a crisis. Its business model doesn't work with
the current level of capacity in the marketplace. We need to make changes in response.
While there have been several successful fare increases, those increases
haven't been sufficient to cover the reduced demand. As fares increase,
fewer customers will fly. As fewer customers fly, we will need to reduce our
capacity to match the reduced demand. As we reduce our capacity, we will
need fewer employees to operate the airline. Although these changes will be
painful, we must adapt to the reality of today's market to successfully
navigate these difficult times.
Therefore, a program to phase out the more senior pilots by the end of the
current fiscal year, via retirement, will be placed into effect immediately.
Under this plan, senior pilots will be asked to take early retirement, thus
permitting the retention of the new-hires who represent our future. This
program will be known as SLAP (Sever Late-Aged Pilots). Pilots who are
SLAPPED will be given the opportunity to look for jobs outside the company.
SLAPPED Pilots can request a review of their employment records before
actual retirement takes place. This review phase of the program is called
SCREW (Survey of Capabilities of Retired Early Workers). All pilots who have
been SLAPPED and SCREWED may file an appeal with upper management. This
appeal is called SHAFT (Study by Higher Authority Following Termination) .
Under the terms of the new policy, a pilot may be SLAPPED once, SCREWED
twice, but may be SHAFTED as many times as the company deems appropriate.
If a pilot follows the above procedure, he/she will be entitled to get:
HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel's Early Severance) or CLAP
(Combined Lump sum Assistance Payment). As HERPES and CLAP are considered
benefit plans, any pilot who has received HERPES or CLAP will no longer be
SLAPPED or SCREWED by the company.
Management wishes to assure the younger pilots who remain on board that the
company will continue its policy of training pilots through our: Special
High Intensity Training (SH!T). We take pride in the amount of SH!T our
pilots receive. We have given our pilots more SH!T than any company in this
area. If any pilot feels they do not receive enough SH!T on the job, see
your Chief Pilot. Your Chief Pilot is specially trained to make sure you
receive all the SH!T you can handle.
Once again, thanks for all your years of service with us.
Sincerely, Your Well-compensated Golden-parachute-in-position Senior VP
Management Leadership Team
the current level of capacity in the marketplace. We need to make changes in response.
While there have been several successful fare increases, those increases
haven't been sufficient to cover the reduced demand. As fares increase,
fewer customers will fly. As fewer customers fly, we will need to reduce our
capacity to match the reduced demand. As we reduce our capacity, we will
need fewer employees to operate the airline. Although these changes will be
painful, we must adapt to the reality of today's market to successfully
navigate these difficult times.
Therefore, a program to phase out the more senior pilots by the end of the
current fiscal year, via retirement, will be placed into effect immediately.
Under this plan, senior pilots will be asked to take early retirement, thus
permitting the retention of the new-hires who represent our future. This
program will be known as SLAP (Sever Late-Aged Pilots). Pilots who are
SLAPPED will be given the opportunity to look for jobs outside the company.
SLAPPED Pilots can request a review of their employment records before
actual retirement takes place. This review phase of the program is called
SCREW (Survey of Capabilities of Retired Early Workers). All pilots who have
been SLAPPED and SCREWED may file an appeal with upper management. This
appeal is called SHAFT (Study by Higher Authority Following Termination) .
Under the terms of the new policy, a pilot may be SLAPPED once, SCREWED
twice, but may be SHAFTED as many times as the company deems appropriate.
If a pilot follows the above procedure, he/she will be entitled to get:
HERPES (Half Earnings for Retired Personnel's Early Severance) or CLAP
(Combined Lump sum Assistance Payment). As HERPES and CLAP are considered
benefit plans, any pilot who has received HERPES or CLAP will no longer be
SLAPPED or SCREWED by the company.
Management wishes to assure the younger pilots who remain on board that the
company will continue its policy of training pilots through our: Special
High Intensity Training (SH!T). We take pride in the amount of SH!T our
pilots receive. We have given our pilots more SH!T than any company in this
area. If any pilot feels they do not receive enough SH!T on the job, see
your Chief Pilot. Your Chief Pilot is specially trained to make sure you
receive all the SH!T you can handle.
Once again, thanks for all your years of service with us.
Sincerely, Your Well-compensated Golden-parachute-in-position Senior VP
Management Leadership Team
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