Envoy 2020: Revenge of the Blue Falcon
09-08-2020, 11:36 AM
#11
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 270
Guys, can we please give it a rest? Why all the bashing here? Let cooler heads prevail. I understand the premise but this is an online forum and what you are doing is wholly unnecessary. I seriously doubt any of the posters here are the original person affected anyway so let's give it a rest.
09-08-2020, 11:41 AM
#12
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,459
Originally Posted by rickair7777
Well for one thing how is it even possible that a pilot can ever, under any circumstances, manipulate another person's schedule without their express consent? If somebody did that to me, I'd no-show without even a courtesy call or ack.
That's probably what your union needs to fix.
That's probably what your union needs to fix.
Removing this function would also remove the consensual pilot to pilot trades, something that would be harmful for everyone.
It has never been abused like this before, no-one has been sleazy enough to do this to a fellow pilot until a few months ago when the Blue Falcon started doing this to fix his schedule while ruining other's.
09-08-2020, 11:53 AM
#13
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2019
Posts: 70
Originally Posted by THKooj
Guys, can we please give it a rest? Why all the bashing here? Let cooler heads prevail. I understand the premise but this is an online forum and what you are doing is wholly unnecessary. I seriously doubt any of the posters here are the original person affected anyway so let's give it a rest.
You changed my mind, ******* the blue falcon.
09-08-2020, 11:56 AM
#14
Crewroom Couch Warmer
Joined APC: Aug 2019
Position: 145 FO
Posts: 98
Im not familair with the method involved to do this but wouldn't a confirmation page that both parties agree on for each individual transfer of trips prevent this from happening in the future? The fact that the system allows consentless transfers is a serious issue
09-08-2020, 12:01 PM
#15
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2020
Posts: 119
"Well for one thing how is it even possible that a pilot can ever, under any circumstances, manipulate another person's schedule without their express consent?"
I had a line pilot tell me someone wrote bugs into the system on purpose and then the company calls them to fix the bug. its like trying to update SABRE. your trying to take out the beating heart.
I had a line pilot tell me someone wrote bugs into the system on purpose and then the company calls them to fix the bug. its like trying to update SABRE. your trying to take out the beating heart.
09-08-2020, 12:01 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,650
Originally Posted by dera
Im pretty sure the union cannot change the IT system the largest airline in the world runs on.
Removing this function would also remove the consensual pilot to pilot trades, something that would be harmful for everyone.
It has never been abused like this before, no-one has been sleazy enough to do this to a fellow pilot until a few months ago when the Blue Falcon started doing this to fix his schedule while ruining other's.
Removing this function would also remove the consensual pilot to pilot trades, something that would be harmful for everyone.
It has never been abused like this before, no-one has been sleazy enough to do this to a fellow pilot until a few months ago when the Blue Falcon started doing this to fix his schedule while ruining other's.
Perhaps a comms about it? Some sort of punitive action for future occurrences? Just spitballing here.
09-08-2020, 12:04 PM
#17
In a land of unicorns
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Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,459
Originally Posted by Propeller
Im not familair with the method involved to do this but wouldn't a confirmation page that both parties agree on for each individual transfer of trips prevent this from happening in the future? The fact that the system allows consentless transfers is a serious issue
You are asking the largest airline in the world to change the IT infrastructure from the late 60s the whole airline runs on. Instead of just being a decent human being and pilot, and refrain from doing this.
If you see an iPad someone forgot in the crew room for 5 minutes while he is taking a morning constitutional, you dont steal it.
09-08-2020, 01:19 PM
#19
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,510
Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
Hopefully the unmentionable one cannot persuade the company to protect him as readily as he did the moderators.
Quick recap since much as been lost:
Pilot exploited a vulnerability in DECs to steal pay and to steal days off by literally dropping trips on other pilot's schedules. He conspired to do this by stalking the pilots and attacking when they were participating in ATTOT. Refused to undo what he did. Confirmed.
Bragged about it in the crew room. Has expressed no remose. Alleged.
Has had his CFI certificate revoked due to a pattern of incidents/accidents with his students. Alleged.
Quick recap since much as been lost:
Pilot exploited a vulnerability in DECs to steal pay and to steal days off by literally dropping trips on other pilot's schedules. He conspired to do this by stalking the pilots and attacking when they were participating in ATTOT. Refused to undo what he did. Confirmed.
Bragged about it in the crew room. Has expressed no remose. Alleged.
Has had his CFI certificate revoked due to a pattern of incidents/accidents with his students. Alleged.
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