Hopefully this pilot gets the help he needs
 

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Saw this all over the internet. Disappointing that pax had to hear this over the PA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreak...copilot_tells/
https://www.reddit.com/r/flying/comm...s_but_this_is/

He is getting the help he needs… but posting about it here really serves no purpose. It’s a terrible situation that was handled months ago. It really sucks that it’s being dug back up now.

Glad he's getting help, but I'm curious how this went down - did he make the PA from a galley or wander into the flight deck and do it from there?

I’m not gonna go into it anymore. He’s actually a really good dude in a really bad situation, and I feel for the guy. He’s one of us, we shouldn’t be gossiping about him.

This is rude and inconsiderate. If you ask everyone on that plane one by one you might get less than 5% of who would consent to this speech. We have a public trust to maintain the things we do have dire consequences, to ourselves and fellow pilots.

I guess I’m in the minority and laughed through it, so bad I assumed it was fake.

But I’ll make you a deal, if I ever pick up a PA and start discussing my porn addiction and sexual likes, you're free to roast me on the forums as well.

This happened awhile ago, I was telling some AA guys in the jump and they didn't believe me. Really surprised AA kept it this quiet for this long.

Apparently it was a DHing Envoy FO on a mainline flight and he somehow socially engineered his way to the front galley PA after arrival at the gate.

APC didn't air his issues out to the public, he did that all on his own. Just like Captain Jackass with his Instagram and YouTube, he's fair game.

The difference between them, one really needs help. The other is an attention *****.

That’s a solid point. Once you literally announce to the world via a megaphone, you lose the right to remain anonymous.

He can be glad his face isn’t on the video, otherwise imagine the memes

Not trying to be a douche about it - I feel for the dude, I really do. But I'm not looking for gossip - just thinking that I might need to reevaluate my attitude about leaving the flight deck after a flight. Maybe close the door? I dunno. I read the random stuff that happens to AA 737s on a regular basis - this is the same sort of thing.

When the guy talks about once being suicidal, still has personal issues (obviously, thus the very disturbing behavior), AND he’s an airline pilot, you might want to be concerned about your safety. I don’t care how good of a dude this guy is.

So much for the recruitment department and background checks.

Hopefully he is no longer a pilot. Please tell me his medical was revoked due to a past history of suicidal thoughts. Good dude I’m sure. Hope he got the help. Hope he finds a great non-aviation career.


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While I don’t want him flying any time soon, I would love to see him get the help he needs and come back as a mentor or someone who can be an ear for pilots having mental health issues. He can still be in aviation in some capacity and he’s still a union brother.

People thinking that mental illness is some incurable disease that makes you untouchable also contributes to the stigma..

Umm…..when he has control of an aircraft with people on board, I don’t give a crap. He needs to lose his medical.

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Based on your comment, it would seem that you’d feel the same way about pedophiles then. Same logic says help them, but don’t judge, don’t make them feel “untouchable” or barre them from working with kids, less you contribute to “the stigma”. Hmm ok, guess you’re entitled to your opinions and all but I’m pretty sure the FAA counts any thoughts of suicide as a permanent decline of an airman cert, and I personally think they got that one right. So put me down as +1 for “the stigma”.


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I don’t think anyone is arguing whether he should lose his medical. The main point for many is that mental health is ignored and we as men are taught to “just deal with it” which exacerbates the problem. If anything, this case highlights how pilots are just as susceptible to issues as non-pilots, and while the FAA owns us, we have to make sure we respect our
mental health. ALPA recognizes this and has the PPS program for such situations.

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Well to me it appeared that someone was indeed arguing that he shouldn’t lose his medical by saying that people “thinking mental health is some incurable mental disease that makes you untouchable only contributes to the stigma.”


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Suicidal German wings Pilot Who Killed 144 People

“According to FBI interviews with his instructors, Andreas Lubitz was promoted despite the fact it should have been seen as a "red flag" by Lufthansa's flight school, based in Arizona, in the US.”
And it should have caused investigations into his history of depression, according to attorneys representing families of crash victims.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1699468/suicidal-germanwings-pilot-who-killed-144-people-was-promoted-after-failing-key-flight-test/

If you’ve strayed that far off the beaten path that you think a PA is a good idea you’ve pretty much just signed your own emergency medical revocation.

I'm no psychologist but I agree with everyone else in this thread that this pilot should NOT be flying. Where we disagree is the idea of whether or not he can ever be fit to fly again. That decision should be left to medical professionals that deal with mental health problems, not his fellow coworkers. ​​​​​​​When we as a pilot group make statements such as "Hope he finds a non-aviation career", we're letting our fellow pilots know loud and clear if you're experiencing mental health issues, you do not belong. If you seek help, you run the risk of throwing away your career.

That's what I mean by furthering the stigma.


​​​​​​​This pilot needs help. I don't know if he should get his medical back. I'm going to wish him the best in treating his mental illness and I hope that one day, after the FAA and medical professionals can agree that he can be mentally fit to exercise the privileges of his certificate, that he can join us in the cockpit once again.

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I saw/see what you were/are saying. I disagree completely. Some things are just too important to dick around with. Airmen are charged with the burden of deciding when they are fit and unfit to fly. If someone has any inkling that they are unfit due to ANY thoughts of suicide, past OR present, then they are required to report it. The guy airing his dirty laundry on the PA either A) knew he had a history of suicidal thoughts when he applied for his medical, or B) knew he had a history of it when he went for his renewal, and in either case lied about it. I have contempt for those decisions he made. Not cool. That to me is like someone knowingly putting many people directly in harms way. I could not care less about contributing to any stigma. It’s just a deal breaker in my opinion. Unlike you, I am certain that he should not get his medical back. No way I’d want myself or my family to ride on any of this guy’s flights. Good day sir….. I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!!!!
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Didn’t the psychologist that Delta used for so many years, to “approve” pilots, off himself?

This is how the FAA treats every mental illness pretty much. It's not stigma, it's policy. Even ADHD is permanently and totally disqualifying and incurable and I think I heard that like 1/20 of school aged boys was diagnosed with that at some point.

ADHD is not disqualifying. The medicine used to treat ADHD is what disqualifies.

It seems you're partially right. I was confidently given bad information; however, there are apparently cognitive tests required for diagnosed ADHD even if you don't take medication, so it is disqualifying but issuance is still possible if you jump through hoops.

I mean IDK we have a guy who pretends to be a women at OO. He turned she has just casually body slammed fellow pilots during the “transitional period”. Obviously no “red flags” whatsoever, all good no biggy!! They’re currently holding a first class cert acting as PIC, so…..?

I agree with all, this person needs medical help, but don’t be surprised when’s he’s acting as PIC at Envoy one day.

Not sure what you mean by “body slammed”, but if someone had a physical altercation, that is a whole other issue.

While I don’t know this first hand, doing anything more than “identifying” as other than the biological sex you were born with does require a pretty extensive process that goes though the FAA medical people.

I’m not going into the “body slam” incident specifics other than to just think of a scenario where you’re unable to get around someone while on the A/C and you decide to “hockey check” them out of the way.

Mental illness comes in many forms, so do lawsuits, which has kept said person on property.

I must. know. more.

Sounds like Skywest has pretty low standards then.

Your last comment is 100% wrong.

It has nothing to do with low standards, the individual I’m speaking of has connections with major networks (CNN). There have been multiple “incidents” where anyone else would have been fired immediately, most have been fired for substantially less, which is why I’m *****ing about it in the first place.

So what’s the scoop on the poor kid then, he get let go?

ADHD is disqualifying. I know because I had to do the whole song a dance to get my medical and blow more than $4,500 in the process

Form 8500-8 Question 18 "HAVE YOU EVER IN YOUR LIFE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH, HAD, OR DO YOU PRESENTLY HAVE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING" Option M "Mental disorders of any sort; depression, anxiety, etc."

Go read this thread and you can learn more about her.

Pilot forced to sleep on plane? - Airline Pilot Central Forums (airlinepilotforums.com)

Whoa. Or this one (since she ain’t shy)

https://www.thejessicataylor.com/

I like to think we all have our own weird aspects, big or small, but I can't understand why you'd want to big it up and maximize attention and exposure. Just seems like an indicator of an unpredictable, chaotic personality.

She'd probably ace the Hogan though.

Its computer based so its manipulated by mgt