Jab and Flow
 

Doesn’t AA new hires require to show the vaccine card, during what part of the flow process requires proof of vaccine?

Jesus, do they not teach English at riddle?

Once you are selected, AA Onboarding will contact you for all the relevant requirements. Proof of vaccination, background check info, etc.

You don’t need the jab to flow, that’s a myth. Now if you want to flow to AA as opposed to flowing to unemployment then you'll
need the jab.

englsh is hrd

You don't actually need the jab, you need a little paper card that says you got the jab.

somewhat. It’s a bit of a misnomer though, calling it “English”

the class title is “Customized ERAU License Plat3s 1104”

I welcome anyone to try to show a card, without getting the jab.

much success, verrrry niiiiiceeee

I know at least a half dozen people personally who have submitted fake docs to their various airlines. I'm not sure, but my impression is that about 1/5 of the people "complying" are doing so with fake documents, esp. at United for some reason.

It seems to me that if an airman is caught falsifying documents like a vaccine card, they’d be taking a a huge risk of losing their medical/ATP. The rationale I’d imagine would be something along the lines of a demonstrated lack of judgment/good moral character, which I think was a conditional requirement for issuance.


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Seems like a great way to get fired… Prevent yourself from being hired elsewhere… And maybe even go to jail for a while. But you do you!

Fake Vaccine Cards are a Federal Crime

Cutting the tag on your mattress is a federal crime

No it’s not. It’s a federal crime to sell it with the tag removed. Once you own it, do as you please. Source: mattress salesman at NFM


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I know a lot of pilots who casually and openly lie on their medicals in relatively benign ways, memorizing eye charts etc. Perhaps you can be the one that leads the charge to audit vaccine cards and separate those you think are unfit (due to judgment, morals, political leanings etc.) from their profession.

Before you cast that kind of stone though, I think you need to look seriously at what you're stating when you complete your 1st class medical every year and see if you can survive an audit of your own medical history.

You assume a lot. Never said I liked it, nor advocating to be some sort of police about it so do me a solid and take a break, get some water, breathe. Just saying it seemed risky to me to be falsifying things. And I don’t falsify anything on medxpress or memorize eye charts. Still rolling 20/20’s, but that is all irrelevant.


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I’d consider being of good moral character, to require that they stand up against vaccine mandates. But then again I’m not putting my **** into the system.

Lol, so you’ve never had a tummy ache or you’re checking that box on the form and explaining it every year? I don’t believe you, find your moral character wanting, and condemn you to commercial forklift driving.

Don't go cheap on that, because they'll can you instantly if they get suspicious and you can't back it up. I've heard the "Maderna" fake cards are the best available.

My opinion is “you do you”. I personally don’t like being mandated to to get a shot. I got vaccinated because I felt is was wise for me to do so. What you don’t want to? Cool, you shouldn’t have to. Smoking isn’t the best thing for your lungs but people still do it, and it’s perfectly legal and it should be. People can make their own wise or unwise choices. Not a big fan of being told what to do. IMO that should absolutely also apply to other controversial laws regarding the right to choose what is done to one’s own body. Otherwise seems extraordinarily hypocritical to me.


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No. As long as you don't submit it to the FAA in an official manner, they don't care. You'd also better not lie to your AME about it either, because he will write that down (at least mine did last month).

The ATP "Good Moral Character" clause is nebulous at best. When that clause was written into the regs (circa 1950?), homosexuality would probably get your ATP revoked on that basis. FAA pretty much only applies the clause if you get convicted of a felony, because otherwise it's too vague to adjudicate on appeal.

I seriously doubt that is the intent of the questions on a med form. But cool. Your opinion is as good as mine.


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Careful, wouldn't wanna inadvertently help someone violate "federal law federal law federal law federal law."

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Maybe so, see you in the trenches homie.

Training backlog
 

Does anyone know what the wait times are looking like for training? Is there a backlog? Been out on LOA for a few years and was prepping to return.

Anyone who says tummy ache as an adult has lost all credibility

You are a tummy ache. It’s sarcasm.

HAVE YOU EVER IN YOUR LIFE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH, HAD, OR DO YOU PRESENTLY HAVE ANY OF THE FOLLOWING?

If you didn't go to the doc for your tummy ache, and it resolved on it's own, no need to report it. YOU cannot diagnose anything, only a medical professional.

If you did go to the doc, report it as a doctor visit. No need to check the box for something like an acute tummy ache since you'd then have to check the box every time for the rest of your career... that's not their intent, and you CYA by reporting the doc visit.

I agree with you on the intent but I think you should read the thing you posted again.

It's going to be quite the spectacle when in a few years from now people start losing their medicals due to complications from these vaccines and the airlines all say "well, we didn't force him to continue working here, he chose to take the vaccine on his own". The pharmaceutical industry has already given itself immunity through federal law, so they have nothing to worry about. Maybe in 20 years they'll pay a couple dollars in fines like they did with Oxycontin, but that's just part of the cost of doing business, the same as buying lawmakers.

Ah yes, everybody’s vaccine of choice!

Naw, I think that worrying about such things is akin to being a hypochondriac. Remember that one’s brain is (supposed to be) powerful, and therefore if you dwell on negative thoughts, they are more likely to come to fruition.


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I think this applies way more to COVID itself.

C-19 Vaccine
 

Does anyone know if Envoy is requiring the C19 vax for new hires? If they are requiring it, are there any exemptions available for religious beliefs, medical reasons, etc?

Why not call the recruitment department and ask.

it is a requirement, but I don't know about exemptions.

Sollomon, are you currently employed by envoy? Also, did they make a company announcement about the vaccine?

Prob cause they won’t answer or call back.

Well thats how this place operates.