Envoy's future
07-13-2014 | 02:32 PM
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Mason,
A little confused from reading your posts. Seems like stuff has possibly gone back and forth a bit this week. Went from expecting news last week nothing, with no deal, to some sort of internal deal? Could you sum it up as to what's going on now? Some news next week, perhaps?
A little confused from reading your posts. Seems like stuff has possibly gone back and forth a bit this week. Went from expecting news last week nothing, with no deal, to some sort of internal deal? Could you sum it up as to what's going on now? Some news next week, perhaps?
07-13-2014 | 02:34 PM
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Before that happens, Envoy will become the single point of entry to AA. That bypases any negotiations with the APA for seniority numbers; since your DOH at envoy will be your place on the AA list once you move over. This won't happen until PDT and PSA are eventually consolidated. You guys have a few years left to torture Pagey.
07-13-2014 | 02:46 PM
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It doesn't benefit the APA. This is why I suggested it might be beneficial if you had something the APA did want... like a bunch of new planes.
You can keep Bzzzt though.
By then Envoy will have been absorbed into AA already. It's how they plan to staff E-jets. Nobody will go to RAH, Mesa, Compass or elsewhere when they can get their seniority number and place on the list upon date of hire to fly the E175. Before that happens, Envoy will become the single point of entry to AA. That bypases any negotiations with the APA for seniority numbers; since your DOH at envoy will be your place on the AA list once you move over. This won't happen until PDT and PSA are eventually consolidated. You guys have a few years left to torture Pagey.
You can keep Bzzzt though.
By then Envoy will have been absorbed into AA already. It's how they plan to staff E-jets. Nobody will go to RAH, Mesa, Compass or elsewhere when they can get their seniority number and place on the list upon date of hire to fly the E175. Before that happens, Envoy will become the single point of entry to AA. That bypases any negotiations with the APA for seniority numbers; since your DOH at envoy will be your place on the AA list once you move over. This won't happen until PDT and PSA are eventually consolidated. You guys have a few years left to torture Pagey.
07-13-2014 | 03:04 PM
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The regional airlines next strategy to keep this B scale operational is to merge into just a few regionals. That way pilots have even fewer options as to where to go. You either get behind their banner or you are out. You want to get to mainline? Tow the line and know your place. Be thankful you are even here no matter how bad it is. Lengthy upgrade times at some point.
In my view, this is why Envoy must have 12/4. Without it, how can the groups hope to be merged successfully?
All theory of course
07-13-2014 | 03:22 PM
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Not the Envoy of today, but the Envoy of next year maybe when 3 other regional airlines are merged into Envoy or Envoy is merged into one of them.
The regional airlines next strategy to keep this B scale operational is to merge into just a few regionals. That way pilots have even fewer options as to where to go. You either get behind their banner or you are out. You want to get to mainline? Tow the line and know your place. Be thankful you are even here no matter how bad it is. Lengthy upgrade times at some point.
In my view, this is why Envoy must have 12/4. Without it, how can the groups hope to be merged successfully?
All theory of course
The regional airlines next strategy to keep this B scale operational is to merge into just a few regionals. That way pilots have even fewer options as to where to go. You either get behind their banner or you are out. You want to get to mainline? Tow the line and know your place. Be thankful you are even here no matter how bad it is. Lengthy upgrade times at some point.
In my view, this is why Envoy must have 12/4. Without it, how can the groups hope to be merged successfully?
All theory of course
07-13-2014 | 03:24 PM
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No not 100% I'm sure, but the vast majority is coming from regionals and I don't see that shifting anytime soon.
07-13-2014 | 03:35 PM
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Delta used to have Delta Express flying 737-200s. There were 2-3 year captains on it. The pay was like B scale in that it was less than "mainline" Delta. You could stay on Express for a better QOL and lose money, or switch over.
It's the same kind of scenario Mason is saying. Envoy would be the "Delta Express" for AA flying 175s. Get hired and stay there for QOL or switch to mainline.
07-13-2014 | 04:12 PM
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Yeah, poor choice of words on my part. Their idea is to have them go from Envoy to AA in order of their Envoy DOH.... not to place them on the AA list by an Envoy DOH. In other words, their place on the Envoy list determines when they go over to AA as a new hire. With no street hiring, their place on the Envoy list is the same as where they will be once at AA. Is that more clear?
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