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snippercr 06-30-2014 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by Mason32 (Post 1674882)
Further down the road, there won't be an Envoy, PSA or PDT. it will all be AA. Before that happens, you'll see regional consolidation, Increased flow programs, then AA hiring for Envoy as single entry point for AA; followed by consolidation of Envoy into AA. By then, most of you will be retired or have moved to major carriers already. A few will wait it out for AA.

Nothing new. Been telling you this for a long time now. It's as sure a thing as what I've told you in the past. My record speaks for itself.

That's one of the first times you've give some sort of time line as to when all that would happen. Do you see improved flow at Envoy anytime in the next year or so? There are many of us stuck at Envoy with 3-5 years, no upgrade in sight but no ability to move to anything better yet refusing to start over at another regional all the while Envoy continues to shrink and we stagnate even more.

PilotJ3 06-30-2014 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1674897)
That's one of the first times you've give some sort of time line as to when all that would happen. Do you see improved flow at Envoy anytime in the next year or so? There are many of us stuck at Envoy with 3-5 years, no upgrade in sight but no ability to move to anything better yet refusing to start over at another regional all the while Envoy continues to shrink and we stagnate even more.

Yup, this is my current position...stuck. At least I have a line, I would be miserable on reserve.

pagey 06-30-2014 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy (Post 1674896)
The thread title is Envoys future. Why are you here? Hopefully, PSA will not be a part of it as we want nothing to do with your pilot group. I'm not saying that to be rude or mean, it's just the truth.

The original post I made was just a question.....about envoy.

I read all threads, not just PSA. I wouldn't learn much if I only stayed in my own thread and got bashed ;)

On a separate note here is a post from you in a PSA thread. So why were you there? :D


Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy (Post 1674091)
You argument lost all merit at that statement.

Also, longevity and pays scales are two different things in cost structure.


lakehouse 06-30-2014 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by PilotJ3 (Post 1674902)
Yup, this is my current position...stuck. At least I have a line, I would be miserable on reserve.

Go to job fairs and get face time with frontier spirit and jetblue

AnotherEagleGuy 06-30-2014 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by pagey (Post 1674908)

On a separate note here is a post from you in a PSA thread. So why were you there? :D

Fair enough. I blame Mason for leading me there. It was a rare post for me as it is a rather negative environment.

Spoiler 06-30-2014 09:01 AM

PSA has pretty much planted a shoe-print on there male member in the eyes of the envoy pilots

PilotJ3 06-30-2014 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1674913)
Go to job fairs and get face time with frontier spirit and jetblue

Don't have the time for Spirit. I do know several captains there, still shy of about 200hrs for their 4,000 TT.

Frontier bases doesn't attire me. And I missed the last B6 window...which screwed me big time. Actually b6 is the one that will fit my life currently.

ERJF15 06-30-2014 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by snippercr (Post 1674897)
There are many of us stuck at Envoy with 3-5 years, no upgrade in sight but no ability to move to anything better yet refusing to start over at another regional all the while Envoy continues to shrink and we stagnate even more.


Been here for seven myself and I've been under 70 from upgrade since the February bid. Get your apps in and keep the faith. I'm outta hear in August. You get to "move up" one at least :D

tunes 06-30-2014 09:36 AM

there should never be only 1 sole route to a major

pagey 06-30-2014 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1674962)
there should never be only 1 sole route to a major

That's awfully absolute....

Why not?


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