New career at Envoy
 

I’m a CFI right now building time until I have the hours required for the R-ATP. I’ve been looking quite a bit at Envoy for my first airline job if I can get on with them but the new cuts and airplanes sent to PSA makes me nervous. Any insights? Is this a temporary and passing hardship because of difficult contract negotiations or is Envoy going to join the myriad of other regional airlines that have been cut in favor of someone cheaper?

Ugh..... Just read the other 20+ threads that answer this question.

By the nature of how this industry functions, no regional should be considered completely safe or stable. I would suggest considering a regional that has a base close to where you live.

Currently reserve is running 3+ years. Do not consider Envoy unless you live in one of the bases, even then there are better choices.

...that's what our recent new hires did and unfortunately we're displaced to a different equipment and base due to a base closure!

This "career" is a crapshoot, good luck!

You're joking right?

Envoy seems to be the most desperate to hire you. It's not very well regarded here, but if you turn that into the bright side of the coin you can use that to your advantage.

lol you guys.....

Nope!



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I personally (vehemently) disagree with this, as I think you should make the decision on where to work based on the totality of the information available. If that means moving or commuting, so be it.

That said, many pilots target an airline based on the convenience of the bases. That's a personal choice. But don't let it be the over-riding variable that sways your decision.

As for Envoy, you need to take the company at their word when they say that the airplanes will all be sold.

No, I wish I was. People hired in late 2011 are still on reserve.

I'd recommend not commuting. Take the best job for your resume. That might require moving. It also might include evaluating who will have the quickest upgrade possibility several years after you get hired.

500/1000 hrs TPIC was a requirement in the past and appears to be of significant value now. That might change as the supply changes but there will be a lot of guys with TPIC on their resume that you'll be competing against.

Run away from Envoy, JB.
Far, far away......and do NOT stop until you have passed Republic.

Agreed. Run far from Envoy. And any other wholly owned airline of AA.

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What he said.

Very nice post!

In light of recent news, your dreams if going to Envoy is probably a really bad idea. Unless of course you are looking to get your first furlough out of the way, I'd probably start considering other airlines. Just a thought.

If I was to start in 121 today and could live anywhere, this would be my list:

1. Compass
2. PSA
3. Mesa
4. TSA

Get in, get out....

Agreed. Best thing you can do at the regionals is to spent as little time there as possible.

careers by definition are longer than 2 yrs

What a crock this industry is when psa mesa and tsa are the top 4 airlines.

What a crock our public education is when you can't decipher that you only mentioned 3 airlines.

Typo, I'm guessing. Lighten up Francis.:rolleyes:

TSA covers TSA and Compass donkey, get outta here sonnnnnn.

Oops. And GoJet(s) too. That's three right there!!

Must be that "new math"!

Covers GoJet too.

Actually it covers 3...

Boom! Now get outta my house.

Just curious but what is the junior base? How quick is Miami?

Miami may take a while me to get. Closing april

Oh. So what do they have left??!

I find it laughable to mention "career" and "Envoy" in the same sentence. Job, perhaps yes, but career ?

No.

In 3-4 years a topped out 12-year senior RJ pilot flying E-175's will make the equivalent of about $75,000/year in today's dollars based on inflation, health care and the correction of senior RJ pilots to a new max 12-year scale. PBS will eliminate all the "pay, no fly" end runs in the current contract and since you can only fly 1000 hours/year (a tough life for an old RJ pilot), that's about it.

You'll STLL be treated like dirt while doing it. One could hardly call that a "career". As long as the flow keeps going, it's probably OK for most except the lifer RJ pilots, but if it stops or slows, that could get ugly.

It's junior for AA. :)

Fairly junior at Republic on the FO side. Don't do it though.