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Old 12-08-2014, 05:33 AM
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American Airlines' Envoy unit in tentative agreement with pilots | Reuters


"If ratified, this Tentative Agreement ... will be especially promising for our pilots, providing them new, large and modern aircraft to fly and a faster path to a career at American Airlines," Envoy Chief Executive Officer Pedro Fábregas wrote in the letter.


Any Details to compare it too Piedmont's deal? I'm sure it has got to be better then what we got.

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Question, what you gonna do when the flow STOPS?
Remember AAG and department of justice agreement for three years not to pull out of any hubs or reduce flights. That agreement expires next year.
AAG has nine hubs, I can almost guarantee thre hubs will be closed and become just a large focus city at best. Which three, don't know. But with almost 30% hub reduction means over staffing at aa which will be absorbed by attrition for retirements. This will drag out for about five years and no new hire positions at aa. Thes are facts to be played out. That is why Parker is in a hurry to get all contracts on AAG done by this year.
So what you gonna do when the flow stops? The flow has always been an item that has had a very high price attached to it.
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Outside of another 9/11 type event, hiring is not likely to stop anytime soon.

With all the promised spots to Envoy, Piedmont, and PSA pilots; getting hired is looking more challenging for someone who is not part of a flow program. Same goes for Delta hiring I would think.
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Why is a PDT yes voter posting Envoy news? Get a life or we will quote every post you ever made sayi g "I will not fall on the sword for anyone else" since our last "NO" vote.
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Originally Posted by RJ Pilot View Post
This is good for the guys that are about to flow. $12,500 bonus for CA's. I see this passing easily.

Good Luck.
I think a bonus is taxed at a much higher rate.
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Originally Posted by AnotherEagleGuy View Post
Why is a PDT yes voter posting Envoy news? Get a life or we will quote every post you ever made sayi g "I will not fall on the sword for anyone else" since our last "NO" vote.
Why? Because of the same reason you guys jumped in our thread bashing us you big dummy. hahahahahaahh

Dude quote away..... quote away.... The worse is quoting all you folks bashing us about voting yes. I could go back and have a damn field day on that.

Anyway good luck with your vote.
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Originally Posted by billyho View Post
American Airlines' Envoy unit in tentative agreement with pilots | Reuters


"If ratified, this Tentative Agreement ... will be especially promising for our pilots, providing them new, large and modern aircraft to fly and a faster path to a career at American Airlines," Envoy Chief Executive Officer Pedro Fábregas wrote in the letter.


Any Details to compare it too Piedmont's deal? I'm sure it has got to be better then what we got.
Pay scales frozen for 2 years and 1% raises after. (I think puts us close to PSA)

Up to 35% medical insurance contributions over the course of 5 years

Growth of per diem slower

12/4 scales (current FOs can go up to 8 years)

10 year duration

$12,500 bonus for everyone (FO get last $5000 of it when upgrade)

824 flow is 50% of AA class (min 20 now, min 30 when 175 shows up)

Protected pilot flow 35% of AA class min 25 per (50% and 30 when 40th 175 shows)

Other pilots currently on list (35% and 15 min)

New hires 25% and 5 min
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Originally Posted by billyho View Post
I think a bonus is taxed at a much higher rate.
No not true. Although more may be withheld in taxes from the bonus, at the end of the year when its time to do your taxes, you will pay the same tax rate. It simply means maybe you get a little bigger tax refund then you are accustomed to. All in all, it all "comes out in the wash" type of thing.
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Originally Posted by ccjaxpilot View Post
Pay scales frozen for 2 years and 1% raises after. (I think puts us close to PSA)

Up to 35% medical insurance contributions over the course of 5 years

Growth of per diem slower

12/4 scales (current FOs can go up to 8 years)

10 year duration

$12,500 bonus for everyone (FO get last $5000 of it when upgrade)

824 flow is 50% of AA class (min 20 now, min 30 when 175 shows up)

Protected pilot flow 35% of AA class min 25 per (50% and 30 when 40th 175 shows)

Other pilots currently on list (35% and 15 min)

New hires 25% and 5 min
Yes that will pass by 80%.
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Originally Posted by tom11011 View Post
No not true. Although more may be withheld in taxes from the bonus, at the end of the year when its time to do your taxes, you will pay the same tax rate. It simply means maybe you get a little bigger tax refund then you are accustomed to. All in all, it all "comes out in the wash" type of thing.
Thanks, I just remember someone discussing that.
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