Envoy management offering better OT pay
 

Not even two months after we signed this crap contract envoy management has voluntarily come back to attempt an ineffective band-aid when we need a tourniquet to our stop the bleeding. I'll take the money but these morons won't fix our horrendous staffing issues.

PREMIUM PAY & HOTELS IN DOMICILE*





THIS LETTER OF AGREEMENT is made and entered into in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, as amended, by and between ENVOY AIR INC., (“the Company”) and the Air Line Pilots in the service of ENVOY AIR INC., as represented by the AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL (“the Association”), with both the Company and Association referred to as “the parties.”



WHEREAS, the parties acknowledge a need to staff the operation when open time coverage is inadequate, and



WHEREAS, Section 3 covers Critical Coverage Pay, and



WHEREAS, Section 11 provides in-domicile crew hotels only in limited circumstances,



NOW THEREFORE, the parties agree to replace specific paragraphs of Section 3 of the



Basic Agreement as set forth below:



3.I PAY FOR OPEN TIME (OT)

A pilot who bids for and is awarded open time will receive pay above guarantee for such flying at a rate of 150% (200% for Critical Coverage day(s)) of his flight hourly rate unless the open time was bid by the pilot during transition to restore him to his original bid line value.

3.I.3 Critical Coverage Premium A pilot who is awarded open time on a Critical Coverage day(s) will receive pay above guarantee for such flying at a rate of 200% of his flight hourly rate. Critical Coverage days for all domiciles and equipment will include New Year’s Day, July 4th, Labor Day, Thanksgiving, and Christmas. The Company may designate additional Critical Coverage days for specific domicile(s), equipment and seat.



a. A pilot who is awarded an OT trip on a Critical Coverage day shall be

provided (upon request) a Company provided hotel room in domicile. The

hotel request may be for the night prior to the trip sequence or at the

conclusion of the trip sequence or for both nights.



b. A First Officer who is awarded OT flying on a Critical Coverage Day will

receive pay above guarantee for the greater of two hundred percent

(200%) of his flight hourly rate for all such hours flown or four (4) hours at

his flight hourly rate.



3.I.4

A pilot electing to fly during his scheduled vacation pursuant to Section 11.H.8 will be credited the value of his vacation plus the greater of the scheduled or actual value of all flights flown, and the applicable open time premium will apply. If a pilot flying during his vacation is extended or junior manned, such flying will be subject to the applicable extension or junior manning pay premiums. In addition, a pilot who is awarded open time on a Critical Coverage day(s) during his vacation will receive pay above guarantee for such flying at a rate of 200% of his flight hourly rate.



3.J. JUNIOR MANNING PAY

1. Regular, relief or composite line holder.

A lineholder who is junior manned for a flight leg(s) not on his final bid

award will receive pay above guarantee for such flying at a rate of two

hundred percent (200%) of his flight hourly rate.



3. Minimum Pay on a Day Off

A pilot who is junior manned on a day off will receive pay above guarantee

for the greater of two hundred percent (200%) of his flight hourly rate for

all such hours flown or four (4) hours at his flight hourly rate.

In addition, Section 11.P.6 will be modified as follows:



6. When a pilot trip trades flying that was originally awarded to him as open time, he will be paid the applicable open time premium for the flying he picks up in the trade. Example #1: A pilot who trades away an OT trip

(150% premium) for a different OT trip will receive the OT premium (150%

premium) for the flying into which he traded. Example #2: A pilot who

trades away an OT trip (150% premium) for a trip on a Critical Coverage

day (200% premium) will receive the Critical Coverage premium for that

flying. In addition, Section 11.E.1.d will be replaced with the following language:

d. A pilot whose assignment normally provides for a hotel room will receive a hotel room in domicile (upon request) if any scheduling or operational

irregularity causes the pilot to overnight in domicile.



THIS LETTER OF AGREEMENT will become effective on the date of execution and will remain in full force and effect concurrent with the duration of the Basic Agreement.

Just my .02 cents: I see two options here, since you're already hired there:

1. Take the money, keep building your time, and get out asap.

2. Take the money, keep building your time, stop whining and wait to flow.

Envoy is clearly not a good place to be, so if they are making your life sooo miserable, no seniority is worth the wrinkles on your face nor the shortened life span! There's a ton of regionals out there with <1 year upgrades and better QOL that will be happy to hire you on the spot.

......... or you could just say no.

Truth will be told in a week. Upper management is meeting with our mec about the future, they are the ones authorized to offer the big money loas and the future hull counts. 25k a year to stay and w stable or better yet growing hull count would stop the bleeding and attract new hires.

If not the flood gates of bleeding will truly open and what few new hires eyed this place will run.

Cant wait to see what RJ Pilot has to say about that!

But I agree with you too. I expect the most half assed response from the "big 6" - Up the flow by maybe 1 or 2, increase referral bonus by like $250 while not offering any actual retention bonus... MAYBE a buy out for senior captains of four months.

About what? The meeting? Do you really think AAG is stupid that they DONT know whats required to bring bodies through the door?

If they haven't done it by now, I highly doubt your Alpa leadership will make them now.

GoodLuck!

eff envoy. Bang in last minute, screw em

"Hey guys, I know we pretty much gutted you, ruined many careers, and forced you into a sad place, but for the remaining you can get premium pay, basically make some money before you are let go" - love aa mgmt.

I think rj pilot is headed to Kai tak this week. So it might be a little while before he gets back.

Thanks for your concern...
 

Don't shed to many tears for me... I'm one of the eightyish or so guys that have the best job in this envoyable organization... I've been killing it.

This happened at endevour, let's hope we follow them and not comair.

Sweet! That's a crazy approach, he will need some good luck!

I heard he was going to be in my neck of the woods, captaining his mighty gee five to Chicago's Meigs field.

You're a lav service tech?

^ haha steady pay and no scheduling issues

Which regionals have less than a 1 year upgrade, ive been looking at everyone for the last 2 months trying to figure out where to go next...

PSA if you want to upgrade in 6 months and be on the worst reserve in the industry for the forseeable future

Not anymore. That's yesterdays news.

Reserve here is absolutely terrible, and a "short upgrade" CA will certainly be on reserve for a while......A loooong while.

I don't know anything about anyone else's reserve system but it cannot be worse than ours. Beyond terrible into "drain the life out of you(and your family)" bad.

I speak from experience....lots and lots of experience.

We have had FOs and CAs on reserve for over 3 years now. I think reserve anywhere is a prison sentence.

If Delta waited a year to pull the plug on Comair it may have turned out much different.

Pinnacle guys getting $20,000 a year retention bonuses? Even the bean counters at Delta could see that Comair wasn't that expensive.

You can do that very quickly by going to Trans States and probably make more than you do today if you have enough hours

Trans States has a lot of FOs without PIC mins, so new guys can bid for and make captain very soon...when I was there some guys got their Capt bid while in INDOC.

Delta cut off their nose to spite their face. They never forgave Comair for striking and winning. They had to show CMR ALPA and the rest of the regional industry what happens to minions who dare think they are worthy of livable wages and work rules in a segment who's business model is designed to NOT have them.

So far the managements have been winning. The lack of applicants may one day change things but for now the quick upgrades at the bottom feeders are attracting newhires to the lowest common denominators.

Ten years ago, when Delta moved planes between their regionals, the registration got changed (xxxBR to xxxCA or xxxAS to xxxSW), etc.

Lately you see a lot of xxxCA aircraft flying in the other fleets. Maybe a way to save money... or maybe Delta's little reminder of what happens to those that step out of line?