Envoy: 2.5 years upgrade & 6 years flow to AA
 

The word is out... Envoy management sent out a letter today with some calculated numbers. The promise: 2.5 years upgrade for a new hired today, and to flow to AA in less than 6 years.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA :D:p:eek:

Yippee. Application sent....

Would this apply across the board, or to the guys coming in with no 121 time? For guys with 121 time this seems a little slow in terms of getting to AA, in this current climate.

This may help

Since 2013 there have been 293 Off the street New Hires. During that same time period, 481 Envoy pilots flowed onto the property.

Attachment 2105

Should all of this be taken with a big dose of salt?

Dear envoy mangament, please tell me. How many planes you have now, how many will you have in say 2017/18 2.5 years from now?

By the numbers, pilots flowing/ versus pilots required I really fail to see how anyone will be upgrading

During a significant portion of which (2013) AA didn't even hire from the street nor had a recruitment dept and were simply moving contractually required Letter 3 pilots to AA, so the correlation is misleading.

But hey.........who cares about accuracy when a SALE is desired !

Actually, if one is truly prepared for a possible future, a powerful antacid. ;)

I was going to say tequila.

This latest fluffy letter is actually of little surprise. The MEC at Envoy just voted in a new negotiating committee after having fired the previous one (inexplicably containing 2 members they themselves had voted in on the fired committee just weeks prior !) and soon negotiations are likely to start on new reserve rules that are presently being forced upon the pilots by their thoughtful and caring management among potential other things.

I think it's a perfect time to create euphoria and back-slapping among the pilots before they meet for negotiations in the near future to prime the pump. Now............if we can just find a loyal salesman (who we've got by the short-hairs) to be our point man ? :p

Go with rj pilot.

Gee.........I always did want to ride in a GV. :D

Seems legit


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eagle fly and RJpilot left Eagle. In order for their decision to be the right one, this place must fail. Otherwise, they could have been wrong. They wish the demise of their fellow pilots to justify their decision. I'd ignore their broken records.

Yes, the emperor has no clothes. :cool:

I was there AE 2007 thru 2009... Glad to see things never change. I probably would still be an FO.
Wasn't there a similar letter in 2011 that went out. If someone has these still please post. I think it was September of that year.

I have friends that have been there since 2009 that haven't upgraded yet.

I've been here since feb 08. 150 #s from upgrade. Truth


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Should be any day now I would think to keep this new letter on track.

Depends when in 07. There is around 100 current CA's that were hired in 07, JAN/FEB 07 got the upgrade almost 2 years ago mid 2013.

Nice. We didn't even hire in 2009. Tell me which regional you run interference for?

Funny to see all the other regionals minions come running over to dispute so quickly. Hmmmm

yes..

2009 - 0
2012 - 8

so that knocks down the upgrade time 2 years right there.. if people even bother to consider that. Which they usually don't. 2013-2015 don't have that many pilots hired either and attrition is really high in that group.. So it will go through those years fairly quick as well. We are midway through 07 hires now with some of them being CA for almost 2 years and on their 2nd upgrade. I don't think prospective new hires understand that DOH of previous pilots and their upgrade time don't necessarily mean they will upgrade in the same time frame.

2007 - 248
2008 - 158
2009 - 0
2010 - 122
2011 - 350
2012 - 8
2013 - 94
2014 - 86
2015 - 27