New Pay Rates and Flow to AA
06-12-2022, 07:18 AM
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New Pay Rates and Flow to AA
Question from an AA pilot. So the new pay rates look like a desperate attempt by management to slow the exodus of Envoy pilots to UAL/DAL/FedEx/etc. I'm curious if these new pay rates change your mind about bailing from the AA system? Are you more motivated to stay put and wait for the flow now? I know if I was in the Eagle system I would just use this as an opportunity to save more money before heading off to United or Fedex. But I'm curious what the Envoy pilot group thinks? Thanks.
06-12-2022, 07:33 AM
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This is an attempt to keep pilots from going to Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue, etc. I don't think they're expecting anyone to turn down any of the majors or legacies. They even specifically state who they're targeting with these new rates in their email.....
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Including all bonuses, a new hire pilot should expect to make 31% more than pilots at Endeavor and 10% more than pilots at leading ULCCs over the first five years.
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Including all bonuses, a new hire pilot should expect to make 31% more than pilots at Endeavor and 10% more than pilots at leading ULCCs over the first five years.
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Last edited by Voodoo11; 06-12-2022 at 07:45 AM.
06-12-2022, 08:32 AM
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New Pay Rate
After talking this over with an Envoy buddy we agreed that the new pay rates will keep us from playing leapfrog with the LCC and ULCCs. Instead of jumping to Frontier, Spirit, etc for the type rating. I’d rather build the PIC time at Envoy. However I’m definitely not taking any bonus that will lock me into Envoy
06-12-2022, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Voodoo11
This is an attempt to keep pilots from going to Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue, etc. I don't think they're expecting anyone to turn down any of the majors or legacies. They even specifically state who they're targeting with these new rates in their email.....
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Including all bonuses, a new hire pilot should expect to make 31% more than pilots at Endeavor and 10% more than pilots at leading ULCCs over the first five years.
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Including all bonuses, a new hire pilot should expect to make 31% more than pilots at Endeavor and 10% more than pilots at leading ULCCs over the first five years.
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06-13-2022, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
Re.ULCC, not true. You will make more by bailing out, especially if you count the 401K and compound interest on it.
06-13-2022, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by notoriousKOT
I have my applications out everywhere. this changes nothing.
this will put pressure on ULCC’s. Especially if others follow suit. Glad to see it. I made $19/hr when I started at Eagle in 2007. Times have changed for the better
06-13-2022, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lakeaffect
It will for some. I hope, because
this will put pressure on ULCC’s. Especially if others follow suit. Glad to see it. I made $19/hr when I started at Eagle in 2007. Times have changed for the better
this will put pressure on ULCC’s. Especially if others follow suit. Glad to see it. I made $19/hr when I started at Eagle in 2007. Times have changed for the better
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