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havick 10-06-2016 01:26 PM

I really appreciate the info and PM's in such a short period.

If anyone has anything else to add that'd be great.

Cheers, Jimmy

schmohawk 10-06-2016 04:44 PM

I know our future isn't to great , but go to awac and drive to work

havick 10-06-2016 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by schmohawk (Post 2218410)
I know our future isn't to great , but go to awac and drive to work

Hi Schmohawk, I'm not USN, I'm just a dirty contractor that happens to live in ORF doing SAR work in B412's and firefighting in 212's in the USA and abroad.

lakehouse 10-06-2016 05:59 PM

Do LGA asap it's an easy commute and that route is extremely likely to be all envoy when you hit the line. Early and evening flights making an easy commute. Welcome and see ya in Ny

FlameNSky 10-07-2016 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by schmohawk (Post 2218410)
I know our future isn't to great , but go to awac and drive to work

Not to derail the thread but I wouldn't say that AWAC doesn't have a great future. It's just uncertain. The current regional pilot staffing situation makes any qualified 121 pilot a highly prized commodity. Air Wisconsin may get a new CBA tied with new aircraft order or transfer or they may be bought out and merged with another regional. I see both scenarios working out OK for the AWAC pilots. A new CBA with new aircraft would mean potential growth and will probably ( it would HAVE to ) include increased compensation. A buyout/merger won't be a staple job thanks to the Alleghany-Mohawk Labor Protection Law and which ever company they merge with will likely already have better pay in place.

There is going to be a lot of change in the regional industry in the coming years. But fortunately for pilots, those changes are being driven by the need for pilots and their lack of supply. That will mean that whatever chances take place, their pilot group will never have to fear losing their job.

chrisreedrules 10-07-2016 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2218684)
Not to derail the thread but I wouldn't say that AWAC doesn't have a great future. It's just uncertain. The current regional pilot staffing situation makes any qualified 121 pilot a highly prized commodity. Air Wisconsin may get a new CBA tied with new aircraft order or transfer or they may be bought out and merged with another regional. I see both scenarios working out OK for the AWAC pilots. A new CBA with new aircraft would mean potential growth and will probably ( it would HAVE to ) include increased compensation. A buyout/merger won't be a staple job thanks to the Alleghany-Mohawk Labor Protection Law and which ever company they merge with will likely already have better pay in place.

There is going to be a lot of change in the regional industry in the coming years. But fortunately for pilots, those changes are being driven by the need for pilots and their lack of supply. That will mean that whatever chances take place, their pilot group will never have to fear losing their job.

And again, at the risk of further derailing this thread, I disagree. I think AWAC isn't going to find much flying beyond 2018. With American opening LGA for Envoy, PHL for Piedmont, and soon DCA for PSA, I'd say that's a pretty clear signal that AWAC isn't going to fly for American beyond their current contract. Why would someone buy them and merge them when it is much cheaper to just end their contract and force their pilots to either start over at another regional or move on to something better? Pilots are a commodity but they do still have a price. And who is going to be willing to pay the price for a top-heavy pilot group? It just doesn't make much sense from a financial perspective. There are a lot of changes coming... And I think as regionals shrink and fail, the American WO regionals will prosper.

FlameNSky 10-07-2016 07:37 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2218693)
And again, at the risk of further derailing this thread, I disagree.

Well, one day, in a crappy overnight, one guy is going to owe the other guy a beer.

chrisreedrules 10-07-2016 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by FlameNSky (Post 2218715)
Well, one day, in a crappy overnight, one guy is going to owe the other guy a beer.

First rounds on me!

havick 10-15-2016 06:03 AM

Just wanted to say thanks to all who pm'd me and posted on here with info.

Had my interview yesterday and secured a pre-offer. Hoping to start in Nov.

Thanks again.

lakehouse 10-15-2016 08:08 AM


Originally Posted by havick (Post 2224096)
Just wanted to say thanks to all who pm'd me and posted on here with info.

Had my interview yesterday and secured a pre-offer. Hoping to start in Nov.

Thanks again.

Feel free to pm me. We may be flying together down the road. Welcome to ny.


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