Envoy
10-24-2018 | 08:59 PM
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From: Whale FO
15 years in engineering, 10 years as a C-level guy, but with education from abroad that does not translate directly into a 4 year degree.
I can beat Taleo and most other ATS's, but I will always be under the median experience level of my peers, so I would struggle getting hired OTS.
I can beat Taleo and most other ATS's, but I will always be under the median experience level of my peers, so I would struggle getting hired OTS.
10-24-2018 | 09:04 PM
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Envoy
Stay tuned as CA’s leave from the top or middle of the seniority list *outside of flow*. Where those CA’s get hired OTS *outside the flow* is up to AAG. Haha! The notion people within 6months-2 years of flow will not leave Envoy when called by another carrier mainline is laughable.
Stay tuned to movement like a hawk, especially in 2019. Interesting times ahead. Looking forward to listening to Q3 results from AAG.
Stay tuned to movement like a hawk, especially in 2019. Interesting times ahead. Looking forward to listening to Q3 results from AAG.
10-25-2018 | 04:32 AM
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15 years in engineering, 10 years as a C-level guy, but with education from abroad that does not translate directly into a 4 year degree.
I can beat Taleo and most other ATS's, but I will always be under the median experience level of my peers, so I would struggle getting hired OTS.
I can beat Taleo and most other ATS's, but I will always be under the median experience level of my peers, so I would struggle getting hired OTS.
10-25-2018 | 05:36 AM
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Stay tuned as CA’s leave from the top or middle of the seniority list *outside of flow*. Where those CA’s get hired OTS *outside the flow* is up to AAG. Haha! The notion people within 6months-2 years of flow will not leave Envoy when called by another carrier mainline is laughable.
Stay tuned to movement like a hawk, especially in 2019. Interesting times ahead. Looking forward to listening to Q3 results from AAG.
Stay tuned to movement like a hawk, especially in 2019. Interesting times ahead. Looking forward to listening to Q3 results from AAG.
35 years of commuting or 32 years driving to work.
10-25-2018 | 06:28 AM
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What you all forget to understand is that AA doesn't control the flow valve as much as you all think.
remember when AA asked for 40 flows a month at the beginning of this year? how did that work out? That's right Mr. Rick Wilson told them envoy couldn't send more then the 25 a month and AA said "ok we will find the new hires another way" guess which way that was? yep you guess it......they increased off the street hires.
AA doesn't care where they get the new hires from as long as they get them. same with envoy. as along as people are in class they don't care how they get there.
remember when AA asked for 40 flows a month at the beginning of this year? how did that work out? That's right Mr. Rick Wilson told them envoy couldn't send more then the 25 a month and AA said "ok we will find the new hires another way" guess which way that was? yep you guess it......they increased off the street hires.
AA doesn't care where they get the new hires from as long as they get them. same with envoy. as along as people are in class they don't care how they get there.
10-25-2018 | 07:34 AM
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WO staffing doesn't need flow to be robust. What they need are better contracts with better pay and work rules. Flow is a fine insurance policy, but the WO have completely hitched their wagon to flow to the detriment of other things that directly benefit their pilot groups and those around the industry.
If the only thing you have to offer a prospective new hire is a 7-9 year "promise" of a job at AA, when every other regional will be able to get you to a major in less time than that, what value is flow to the average pilot? Of course it's a great option for those who don't have a college degree, or otherwise may have difficulty being marketable at a major, but that makes up a fairly small portion of the pilot group at Envoy, I'd be willing to bet.
I desperately wanted to want to go to Envoy. I live in Texas, and in a past life, was a frequent flyer on AA and have a lot of sentimental attachment to the airline. I'd love to wind up at AA. It should be a slam dunk for an airline like Envoy to get me in-house, and yet, even with all of that, they weren't close to competitive with their major competitors.
The pilot recruiting marketing at Envoy is completely tone deaf, but they also don't have much at this point to market. Envoy pilots deserve better than what they're getting, and I sincerely hope you get it.
10-25-2018 | 07:57 AM
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That's a strawman.
WO staffing doesn't need flow to be robust. What they need are better contracts with better pay and work rules. Flow is a fine insurance policy, but the WO have completely hitched their wagon to flow to the detriment of other things that directly benefit their pilot groups and those around the industry.
If the only thing you have to offer a prospective new hire is a 7-9 year "promise" of a job at AA, when every other regional will be able to get you to a major in less time than that, what value is flow to the average pilot? Of course it's a great option for those who don't have a college degree, or otherwise may have difficulty being marketable at a major, but that makes up a fairly small portion of the pilot group at Envoy, I'd be willing to bet.
I desperately wanted to want to go to Envoy. I live in Texas, and in a past life, was a frequent flyer on AA and have a lot of sentimental attachment to the airline. I'd love to wind up at AA. It should be a slam dunk for an airline like Envoy to get me in-house, and yet, even with all of that, they weren't close to competitive with their major competitors.
The pilot recruiting marketing at Envoy is completely tone deaf, but they also don't have much at this point to market. Envoy pilots deserve better than what they're getting, and I sincerely hope you get it.
WO staffing doesn't need flow to be robust. What they need are better contracts with better pay and work rules. Flow is a fine insurance policy, but the WO have completely hitched their wagon to flow to the detriment of other things that directly benefit their pilot groups and those around the industry.
If the only thing you have to offer a prospective new hire is a 7-9 year "promise" of a job at AA, when every other regional will be able to get you to a major in less time than that, what value is flow to the average pilot? Of course it's a great option for those who don't have a college degree, or otherwise may have difficulty being marketable at a major, but that makes up a fairly small portion of the pilot group at Envoy, I'd be willing to bet.
I desperately wanted to want to go to Envoy. I live in Texas, and in a past life, was a frequent flyer on AA and have a lot of sentimental attachment to the airline. I'd love to wind up at AA. It should be a slam dunk for an airline like Envoy to get me in-house, and yet, even with all of that, they weren't close to competitive with their major competitors.
The pilot recruiting marketing at Envoy is completely tone deaf, but they also don't have much at this point to market. Envoy pilots deserve better than what they're getting, and I sincerely hope you get it.
And if it is, it will need to get much better to keep on working.
10-25-2018 | 08:23 AM
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Nope
See for yourself
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/company/career/pilot.html
Minimum qualifications
Certification requirements:
Unrestricted FAA Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate with airplane multiengine class rating
Current FAA first-class medical certificate
FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit (RR)
Flight time requirement:
Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed-wing turbine time
General requirements:
Current, valid passport
Legal right to work in the United States
Must be able to travel freely within the United States and without restriction to all countries United serves
Some countries place entry restrictions on foreign visitors. For instance, Canada prohibits entry to people who have been convicted of criminal offenses or who have criminal charges currently pending against them. Some convictions that make a person inadmissible for entry into Canada include theft, driving while intoxicated (DWI) and a number of felonies and misdemeanors. There are procedures to seek special permission or waivers from Canada to permit entry, but these are not automatic. This is not a complete list of countries with restrictions.
High school diploma or GED equivalent
Bachelor’s degree from accredited college or university is preferred
Reliable, punctual attendance is an essential function of the position
Certification requirements:
Unrestricted FAA Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) certificate with airplane multiengine class rating
Current FAA first-class medical certificate
FCC Restricted Radiotelephone Operator Permit (RR)
Flight time requirement:
Minimum of 1,000 hours of fixed-wing turbine time
General requirements:
Current, valid passport
Legal right to work in the United States
Must be able to travel freely within the United States and without restriction to all countries United serves
Some countries place entry restrictions on foreign visitors. For instance, Canada prohibits entry to people who have been convicted of criminal offenses or who have criminal charges currently pending against them. Some convictions that make a person inadmissible for entry into Canada include theft, driving while intoxicated (DWI) and a number of felonies and misdemeanors. There are procedures to seek special permission or waivers from Canada to permit entry, but these are not automatic. This is not a complete list of countries with restrictions.
High school diploma or GED equivalent
Bachelor’s degree from accredited college or university is preferred
Reliable, punctual attendance is an essential function of the position
https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly/company/career/pilot.html
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