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Old 01-09-2017, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BizJet View Post
Since AAG owns Envoy can they just say we're taking 40? Or does that require a rewrite of the flow contract? I can't see how an increased flow isn't a win win for pilots and AA. I've been told at several interviews and events that AAG could careless if the WOs struggle for pilots.
Our contract allows for it, but envoy management can supercede AAs desire for more flows. Seems like it would be a win win for everyone, once we are right staffed. It would take a mentality shift down in Irving though, so it may take time or may never happen. It won't be overnight.
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Old 01-09-2017, 08:57 AM
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Never. Why? Because I can guarantee you they are already sweating over the summer schedules. "We need those extra 10 guys to get us through the summer." Just like what happened last year, and the year before that. Staffing is not perfect. Anyone who says so is in their own fantasy world. If it's so perfect then why do I still get JM every month? Sorry, I don't buy this. Another used car. I am almost to my yearly limit (by contract).
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:15 AM
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envoy is hiring 70+ plus indefinitely. We should be in good shape.
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:27 AM
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Never. Why? Because I can guarantee you they are already sweating over the summer schedules. "We need those extra 10 guys to get us through the summer." Just like what happened last year, and the year before that. Staffing is not perfect. Anyone who says so is in their own fantasy world. If it's so perfect then why do I still get JM every month? Sorry, I don't buy this. Another used car. I am almost to my yearly limit (by contract).
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:42 AM
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envoy is hiring 70+ plus indefinitely. We should be in good shape.


If they flowed more than 30, that would show their confidence that our staffing will be "in good shape."


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Old 01-09-2017, 09:49 AM
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So you're saying it's a calendar year? Not a rolling year? Fing great.
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Old 01-09-2017, 09:52 AM
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envoy is hiring 70+ plus indefinitely. We should be in good shape.
In good shape to push AA to give us more flying, and therefore meter the flow indefinitely, or in good shape to flow extra and stay the same size? Those are two different things.
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Old 01-09-2017, 10:13 AM
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While I agree flow is working (824 is at least). You're a douche most here aren't worried about flow,
People a few pages back were talking about how they will see their buddies at AA soon..."hopefully very soon". So apparently many of you are indeed looking forward to the flow. And of course you should. It's going better than anticipated, allows Envoy pilots to flow over with no interview and no extra work...and creates amazing movement off the top for AA's wholly owned regionals.

It's a great asset and the envy of pilots at non-wholly owned regionals. Why all the constant whinning? Nobody picked this career for you. You did! Nobody forced you to become a regional pilot...more importantly nobody is forcing you to stay. If you are that miserable...don't take it out on people who are not forcing you into a career you are obviously not suited for. In life, and aviation in particular there will be many ups and downs. Perhaps you need a career that is much more steady but much less rewarding. That way at least it's predictable for you.
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Old 01-09-2017, 10:59 AM
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People a few pages back were talking about how they will see their buddies at AA soon..."hopefully very soon". So apparently many of you are indeed looking forward to the flow. And of course you should. It's going better than anticipated, allows Envoy pilots to flow over with no interview and no extra work...and creates amazing movement off the top for AA's wholly owned regionals.

It's a great asset and the envy of pilots at non-wholly owned regionals. Why all the constant whinning? Nobody picked this career for you. You did! Nobody forced you to become a regional pilot...more importantly nobody is forcing you to stay. If you are that miserable...don't take it out on people who are not forcing you into a career you are obviously not suited for. In life, and aviation in particular there will be many ups and downs. Perhaps you need a career that is much more steady but much less rewarding. That way at least it's predictable for you.
I have to agree with Skyvector. It seems that you are miserable here. Find a career that better suits your needs. Maybe I.T. or the healthcare field.

The flow here is working better than planned and all you can do is find something to come on here and gripe about.
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Old 01-09-2017, 11:10 AM
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I have to agree with Skyvector. It seems that you are miserable here. Find a career that better suits your needs. Maybe I.T. or the healthcare field.

The flow here is working better than planned and all you can do is find something to come on here and gripe about.
Oh please, I like being here just hate the people running it into the ground. And interns like you. Fix Qol and this place would be great, until then it will continue to get worse. They couldn't fix stuff for January, the summer will be a real treat.

You are the exact problem with this company, when people point out something wrong "you guys get all huffy puffy" and go on the attack to brush off the real problems. That's OK, every forum and most people are saying the same crap about the horrible ways this company is being run, except you and your multiple screen names.

And you say running better then planned, that's funny, I thought it was running the way the arbitrator planned it. So with the way you said it, are you saying the company planned on not following the arbitrator's ruling, but things worked out, so they're sticking with it for now.

Flow is the only thing I don't complain about, not sure where you picked up i was.
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