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Old 09-24-2017, 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by bigtime209 View Post
I understand that it's part of the contract. But an email explaining the facts would be nice. The only hint that the pilot group has gotten that the company is going to force FOs to CA if they have to is the 1 page of the vacancy bid that said to update your displacement preferences in case there are insufficient CA bidders. And this hasn't caught ALPA off guard. I talked to a couple of different guys in ALPA leadership a few weeks ago. They knew that this was coming on this vacancy.
I get the company can force a filling a vacancy. I like how this one is twice the size of previous ones just to force the upgrades. However I don't see how they can use the displacement process to run it. They have to select the most junior pilot to fill the vacancy. I guess if LGA and ORD vacancies didn't get filled then they could use the bids but I think we are entering uncharted territory. I see a four year arbitration fight on the horizon.

On the flip side I can see the pinch of flowing CAs and FOs not upgrading. Not upgrading FOs and expecting the company to expand flow isn't realistic.
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Old 09-24-2017, 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President View Post
I get the company can force a filling a vacancy. I like how this one is twice the size of previous ones just to force the upgrades. However I don't see how they can use the displacement process to run it. They have to select the most junior pilot to fill the vacancy. I guess if LGA and ORD vacancies didn't get filled then they could use the bids but I think we are entering uncharted territory. I see a four year arbitration fight on the horizon.

On the flip side I can see the pinch of flowing CAs and FOs not upgrading. Not upgrading FOs and expecting the company to expand flow isn't realistic.
Yes, any form of communication from someone, company or ALPA, with some explanation into how this process will work would be helpful.
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Old 09-24-2017, 05:34 AM
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So if sr fo is forced to fill the vacancy are they seat locked for flow?
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Old 09-24-2017, 05:47 AM
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Anyone take a guess as to how many lines and daily reserve shifts a 160 pilot base would consist of? Trying to figure out how diluted DFW will be. I know there are 4 additional airframes coming that don't figure into the current DFW situation that will more then likely head to ORD. I know FOs will come off the list in DFW.

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Old 09-24-2017, 05:50 AM
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So if sr fo is forced to fill the vacancy are they seat locked for flow?
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Old 09-24-2017, 05:55 AM
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Anyone here know how much time you end up logging during training. Apparently its 32 hours at Envoy and 10 hours at CAE. Does that sound right? I'm just trying to figure out what TT I need before I go to ATP CTP.
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Old 09-24-2017, 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 3GreenKSNA View Post
Anyone take a guess as to how many lines and daily reserve shifts a 160 pilot base would consist of? Trying to figure out how diluted DFW will be. I know there are 4 additional airframes coming that don't figure into the current DFW situation that will more then likely head to ORD. I know FOs will come off the list in DFW.

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The company can't just move 175 pilots to ORD. They would first have to take CRJ/145 guys junior to the 175 guys first. This would only affect guys in training right now. Not line pilots. Line pilots will TDY to ORD to fill the void. So essentially all the pilots hired in September and maybe a few in August will get reassigned to 175 ORD. If there were 160pilots I'd guess 100 lines give or take 10.
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Old 09-24-2017, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President View Post
The company can't just move 175 pilots to ORD. They would first have to take CRJ/145 guys junior to the 175 guys first. This would only affect guys in training right now. Not line pilots. Line pilots will TDY to ORD to fill the void. So essentially all the pilots hired in September and maybe a few in August will get reassigned to 175 ORD. If there were 160pilots I'd guess 100 lines give or take 10.
I know I can't be forced to go to ORD but I can be forced into reserve at DFW if a ton of lines go away.
Is the below correct:
Involuntary TDY, get to bid on whatever my seniority can hold.

Voluntary TDY: reserve?

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Old 09-24-2017, 07:25 AM
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Does anyone know anyone who left Envoy prior to 1 year. And how was the bonus payback process? Did they withhold final pay, send out an invoice? Asking for a friend......
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Old 09-24-2017, 07:37 AM
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Anyone here know how much time you end up logging during training. Apparently its 32 hours at Envoy and 10 hours at CAE. Does that sound right? I'm just trying to figure out what TT I need before I go to ATP CTP.
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