Envoy
#7041
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,294
I am not a recruiter so I don't havea clue what our future classes look like, but it seems like we aren't having any trouble filling them to the same level we have for what seems like at least a year. though you may be right about prolonging the negotiations, like i said i don't have a clue what the future classes look like. hard to tell at this point.
#7042
It all comes down to whether you still believe in what AA has said it wants to see for the WOs. If they still intend for growth at the WOs and for the flying to continue to come back in house then they won’t have a choice but to offer better pay and work rules.
#7043
I’m not embarrassed. I don’t work for the company that undercut the other regionals when they were trying to hold their ground against cuts, took an entire fleet from one, as well as orders, and then had the stones to go to that company and try to lure their pilots over.
PSA’s actions are well known, and while not scabs in definition, they’re scabs in spirit.
PSA’s actions are well known, and while not scabs in definition, they’re scabs in spirit.
#7044
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,609
I’m not embarrassed. I don’t work for the company that undercut the other regionals when they were trying to hold their ground against cuts, took an entire fleet from one, as well as orders, and then had the stones to go to that company and try to lure their pilots over.
PSA’s actions are well known, and while not scabs in definition, they’re scabs in spirit.
PSA’s actions are well known, and while not scabs in definition, they’re scabs in spirit.
#7045
I’m not embarrassed. I don’t work for the company that undercut the other regionals when they were trying to hold their ground against cuts, took an entire fleet from one, as well as orders, and then had the stones to go to that company and try to lure their pilots over.
PSA’s actions are well known, and while not scabs in definition, they’re scabs in spirit.
PSA’s actions are well known, and while not scabs in definition, they’re scabs in spirit.
1) Many on property at PSA at the time of that vote firmly believed those 900s were coming to PSA regardless of the contract passing and voted no. The vote was pretty close and probably 90% of the yes voters aren’t even here anymore. Blaming former (and current) PSA pilots who were a mom n’ pop pilot group of less than 500 pilots for keeping food on their families’ tables is absurd. Parker doesn’t mess around. He would have shut PSA down fast. He knew where to apply pressure and he did it.
2) The contract language that was voted on gave PSA pilots the SAP and the critical pay/scheduling language made our pilots some of the highest paid in the industry for a brief time. Company won that in arbitration however.
3) PSA didn’t take anything from Envoy. American management found itself at the helm of a multi-billion dollar corporation that happened to have one regional flying a mixed fleet. To them, that doesn’t make much sense from a financial standpoint. Mergers are always messy. This one was actually pretty tame all things considered.
4) PSA Pilots had absolutely nothing to do with anyone trying to lure anyone else’s pilots.
Based on your comments you’re either a not so clever troll or extremely obtuse. Or perhaps you lack understanding and only believe what you’re told.
And out of curiosity, how long have you been with Envoy?
#7047
#7048
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 101
Maybe. But we don't do any flying there now and no one even knows the details of Compass' contract. Heck no one even knows when it actually expires as I constantly see different dates being thrown around. It's a baseless rumor right now.
#7049
Mesa created Freedom to get around scope. Trans States created GoJet for the same thing. Pilots have time and time again shown themselves to put self-interest above the collective good. PSA did that. You can call me obtuse; you can call me a troll. It is well documented that Express Jet, Air Wisconsin, Envoy and others were trying to hold the line together, and were sold out. There are no if's and's or but's about it. You can quickly search and educate yourself on the 97 aircraft that were to be allocated to other airlines.
So think what you want, call me what you want. You knowingly entered into a system where your predecessors helped slit the throats of others and continue to reap the benefits.
#7050
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Joined APC: Oct 2015
Position: Gear slinger
Posts: 2,897
The secondary benefit is the military (RTP and direct hire) recruitment as a result of ORF being a major military concentration point.
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