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#221
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Joined APC: May 2016
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Thank you for the good info guys.I understand I should stay away from CRJs & 145 ORD & DFW will offer most flying & 145 LGA will be shortest reserve.
Follow up questions;
Keeping in mind that I will start training end of Jan meaning I hit the line in 7-9 weeks after that;
How long can I expect to sit reserve if I chose 145ORD or 145DFW ?
Also if the 145LGA is a shorter reserve ( any guesses on how much will that be ) will I be able to fly more by picking up some flying on my day offs once I can hold line ?
Follow up questions;
Keeping in mind that I will start training end of Jan meaning I hit the line in 7-9 weeks after that;
How long can I expect to sit reserve if I chose 145ORD or 145DFW ?
Also if the 145LGA is a shorter reserve ( any guesses on how much will that be ) will I be able to fly more by picking up some flying on my day offs once I can hold line ?
Dfw 175. 10-15 pilots
Ord CRJ. 4-8 pilots
LGA 145. 17-25 pilots
They will have actual numbers on the day of but this is just my guess based on previous classes.
You want the shortest reserve time then the 175 or 145 will get you there. If you are young then you will get the 145. So after you get the 145 lga move up off reserve and hold a line. Then at this point you can stay there indefinitely or move bases. We will have vacancies every 3 months or so(maybe 1-2 if we keep hiring) and at anytime you can put a request to transfer. If you want to avoid reserve in ORD or Dfw then just wait in lga until you see guys junior to you get lines in other bases and then do a base transfer and never go back to reserve.
Guys will delay upgrading so they don't have to sit reserve as a captain. You can do the same with base transfers just delay it so you won't have to sit reserve.
#222
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 113
Hi all. I need some advice. Allegiant just called and offered me an interview. I'm close to flowing to AA, but I think leaving envoy for Allegiant would be a really smart career decision. Didn't someone else who posts on here all the time say that it was the best decision he ever made? Not sure what to do. It is a really hard decision. I just want to make a smart decision...like that other guy!
#223
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Joined APC: Oct 2014
Position: Noob
Posts: 184
Hi all. I need some advice. Allegiant just called and offered me an interview. I'm close to flowing to AA, but I think leaving envoy for Allegiant would be a really smart career decision. Didn't someone else who posts on here all the time say that it was the best decision he ever made? Not sure what to do. It is a really hard decision. I just want to make a smart decision...like that other guy!
#224
When you get to class they are very likely to offer these three options.
Dfw 175. 10-15 pilots
Ord CRJ. 4-8 pilots
LGA 145. 17-25 pilots
They will have actual numbers on the day of but this is just my guess based on previous classes.
You want the shortest reserve time then the 175 or 145 will get you there. If you are young then you will get the 145. So after you get the 145 lga move up off reserve and hold a line. Then at this point you can stay there indefinitely or move bases. We will have vacancies every 3 months or so(maybe 1-2 if we keep hiring) and at anytime you can put a request to transfer. If you want to avoid reserve in ORD or Dfw then just wait in lga until you see guys junior to you get lines in other bases and then do a base transfer and never go back to reserve.
Guys will delay upgrading so they don't have to sit reserve as a captain. You can do the same with base transfers just delay it so you won't have to sit reserve.
Dfw 175. 10-15 pilots
Ord CRJ. 4-8 pilots
LGA 145. 17-25 pilots
They will have actual numbers on the day of but this is just my guess based on previous classes.
You want the shortest reserve time then the 175 or 145 will get you there. If you are young then you will get the 145. So after you get the 145 lga move up off reserve and hold a line. Then at this point you can stay there indefinitely or move bases. We will have vacancies every 3 months or so(maybe 1-2 if we keep hiring) and at anytime you can put a request to transfer. If you want to avoid reserve in ORD or Dfw then just wait in lga until you see guys junior to you get lines in other bases and then do a base transfer and never go back to reserve.
Guys will delay upgrading so they don't have to sit reserve as a captain. You can do the same with base transfers just delay it so you won't have to sit reserve.
#225
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 273
Hi all. I need some advice. Allegiant just called and offered me an interview. I'm close to flowing to AA, but I think leaving envoy for Allegiant would be a really smart career decision. Didn't someone else who posts on here all the time say that it was the best decision he ever made? Not sure what to do. It is a really hard decision. I just want to make a smart decision...like that other guy!
Pay is more at AA especially FO. Unless you could upgrade there on the bus in 5 years or less the pay would not be that bad flying a newish airplane on out and backs. But I think they have mad dawgs still so I hear not so good things about their operation so you would have to do more research and talk to guys who work there. They have more profit sharing than AA it says 10% of pay and that was in 2015. AA needs to step up their game.
I would still go AA all day - you could probably upgrade in a narrowbody in 6 years with all the retirements coming up and hope that the pilots vote in a contract in 3 years that has better work rules.
#226
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Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 35
QOL they do home every night schedules compared to AA. Then again thinking long term AA could improve QOL with new contracts in the future, but never out and backs.
Pay is more at AA especially FO. Unless you could upgrade there on the bus in 5 years or less the pay would not be that bad flying a newish airplane on out and backs. But I think they have mad dawgs still so I hear not so good things about their operation so you would have to do more research and talk to guys who work there. They have more profit sharing than AA it says 10% of pay and that was in 2015. AA needs to step up their game.
I would still go AA all day - you could probably upgrade in a narrowbody in 6 years with all the retirements coming up and hope that the pilots vote in a contract in 3 years that has better work rules.
Pay is more at AA especially FO. Unless you could upgrade there on the bus in 5 years or less the pay would not be that bad flying a newish airplane on out and backs. But I think they have mad dawgs still so I hear not so good things about their operation so you would have to do more research and talk to guys who work there. They have more profit sharing than AA it says 10% of pay and that was in 2015. AA needs to step up their game.
I would still go AA all day - you could probably upgrade in a narrowbody in 6 years with all the retirements coming up and hope that the pilots vote in a contract in 3 years that has better work rules.
#227
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Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 293
Hi all. I need some advice. Allegiant just called and offered me an interview. I'm close to flowing to AA, but I think leaving envoy for Allegiant would be a really smart career decision. Didn't someone else who posts on here all the time say that it was the best decision he ever made? Not sure what to do. It is a really hard decision. I just want to make a smart decision...like that other guy!
You'd have to pay me an ungodly amount to be on a plane that had a high likelihood to can an engine on a CATII miss...
#228
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Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 273
Yea that's the mad dawg. Think they are going to mostly Airbus
#230
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Joined APC: Oct 2007
Posts: 194
Current awarded upgrade is a April 2011 hire, he starts training next month. There is a new bid that gets run today with around 100 CA vacancies which should push junior upgrade to late 2011. General trend is upgrade time is decreasing and should continue to do so throughout the year. Might go under three years before 2017 is over if they upgrade as many as they said they would. With that being said, predicting upgrade time at date of hire is more art than science and has a lot of variables.
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