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The 10-Year Upgrade (ASA & XJT)

Old 06-08-2017, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Cylinderpop View Post
Ouch is that July of this year 2017. The last captain I flew with was in the March upgrade class and said there was about a half a dozen. I guess that's better than nothing with a shrinking fleet. I'm not sure what's going on with the ASA side it's like we're two different companies lol
That was for both sides, not the ASA or XJT side. I was from the L-XJT side.

Nope, that is one example of the XJT group not telling the truth. That was from a couple of years ago when I was still there. They claimed they were hiring 40 pilots a month and upgrading 40 pilots a month. It never happened.

They have been claiming this "no one was hired in 2007-2011" thing for years and claim any day now the upgrade time is going to drop.

Please put the kool ade down and step a way from the table. XJT / Skywest management is very well know for not telling the truth.
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Cylinderpop View Post
Somebody is salty that they couldn't upgrade. And some of these "2 year" upgrades at other places are awards with no class date or hope of actually flying in the left seat. We aren't trying to con everyone as bad as the other regionals seem to be.
Envoy(awarding captains at 2yrs doh but wait until 5 years to get a class)
CommutAir(cancelling upgrades and now a soon to be a transitioning fleet)
Mesa (60k compensation which includes benifits and hotels haha )
Air whiskey (bloated 3year compensation package with advertised *18 month* upgrades while they sit currently above 5yrs)
Endeavor (not sure how long that upgrade time will stay low with the amount they have hired in the last 3 years *ALOT*)
PSA and Piedmont (how's that 20yr flow working out with ~1 pilot going a month)

There's ALOT of BS here but I at least I felt like there was more honesty coming from Xjt or maybe it's just me and this Kool aid tastes real good.
Piedmont most junior E145 CA is January 2017 hire (looking into possible future DEC E145 program)... Also flow is 5 years. Mines looking like 4 years. - XJT alumni
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Old 06-11-2017, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyjustin View Post
Piedmont most junior E145 CA is January 2017 hire (looking into possible future DEC E145 program)... Also flow is 5 years. Mines looking like 4 years. - XJT alumni
Please don't confuse people with your facts. The recruiters at XJT will have to spin some more of those salty upgrade stories and will have to fly in some more of that kool aid from the mother ship of UT.
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Old 06-14-2017, 09:28 PM
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I'm hearing that Skywest management is quietly sending out the message to their pilots that if they don't accept the 5 year agreement that does not even keep up with inflation, that they are going to send the new planes to Expressjet. The rumor says you guys are willing to take a 3% pay cut to fly the new planes.

What is the general attitude for such a thing?
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Old 06-15-2017, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Bombardier Stev View Post
I'm hearing that Skywest management is quietly sending out the message to their pilots that if they don't accept the 5 year agreement that does not even keep up with inflation, that they are going to send the new planes to Expressjet. The rumor says you guys are willing to take a 3% pay cut to fly the new planes.

What is the general attitude for such a thing?
Well 85% of us voted no to concessions last time so there's that. The only way I see our pilot group agreeing to any cuts would be with some strong scope language to keep our fleet count on track with skywest. Do you guys even have a choice without a union? I thought they could just change things at will.
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Old 06-15-2017, 08:52 AM
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This is a joke right. Skywest pilots worried about XJT/ASA pilots holding the line. At the rate pilots are leaving ExpressJet, it won't matter. Inc. won't be able to place airplanes at an airline with no pilots.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:20 AM
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Inc. is just using your pilot group to whipsaw SkyWest.
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Old 06-15-2017, 11:04 AM
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Inc. is just using your pilot group to whipsaw SkyWest.
Now that's funny. I almost took you seriously.
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Old 06-15-2017, 01:39 PM
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Inc. is just using your pilot group to whipsaw SkyWest.


SAPA should be using expressjet pilots against management in their negotiations! Expressjet has lost money every single quarter since Skywest bought xjt in August 2010, that's 26 straight quarters, HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. And yet, we have managed to keep our better contract, gotten pay raises, improved work rules, given thousands in bonuses, and apparently getting more raises and work rule improvements soon. So what's your (Skywest pilots) excuse for working for so much less?
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Old 06-15-2017, 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Bombardier Stev View Post
I'm hearing that Skywest management is quietly sending out the message to their pilots that if they don't accept the 5 year agreement that does not even keep up with inflation, that they are going to send the new planes to Expressjet. The rumor says you guys are willing to take a 3% pay cut to fly the new planes.

What is the general attitude for such a thing?
Somebody might want to do some homework. What mainline has room for new flying w/scope clause.

Also, Skywest doesn't need them to vote it in they can implement without a vote.
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