Union, Hmm 🤔
06-18-2018, 12:29 PM
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2014
Posts: 1,681
Originally Posted by PhantomHawk
Yep. Two guys who don’t work here arguing over something that has nothing to do with this company......and yet the thread STILL can’t get moved somewhere else. Make this thing die already.
06-19-2018, 11:04 AM
#44
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,261
Originally Posted by CBreezy
Military socialism:
-Free government health Care
-Free or highly subsidised tax free government housing
-Tax-free food allowance
-Free college
-Free job training
-Free job retraining
-Free government paid in-residence graduate and post-graduate education with no income loss
-Government health Care after retirement
-government funded job retraining after separation
-reduced rate government health Care for separated members
-Free government health Care
-Free or highly subsidised tax free government housing
-Tax-free food allowance
-Free college
-Free job training
-Free job retraining
-Free government paid in-residence graduate and post-graduate education with no income loss
-Government health Care after retirement
-government funded job retraining after separation
-reduced rate government health Care for separated members
1) Attract talent
2) Retain and develop talent
3) Meet moral obligations to those who served under arduous conditions, in combat, or were WIA.
Originally Posted by CBreezy
-(Officers) virtually guaranteed non-merit-based promotion and virtually guaranteed retirement regardless of performance
You have utterly no clue what you're talking about, or you're bitter that you got rejected or flunked out of the military.
06-20-2018, 03:49 AM
#45
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,061
Originally Posted by rickair7777
These are benefits, not socialism. The government has determined that this what they need to offer in order to...
1) Attract talent
2) Retain and develop talent
3) Meet moral obligations to those who served under arduous conditions, in combat, or were WIA.
This is the most ridiculous pile of BS I have ever seen on APC (and that says a lot). The military is not the civil service (or the airlines for that matter). Promotions are up-or-out, with difficult gateways at O4, O5, and O6+. And by difficult I mean in addition to the job itself being difficult, you have to perform that difficult job better than others. Don't promote? Off you go with no retirement unless you make at least O4 or O5 in some cases. Maybe 30% of officers make it to retirement eligibility, and it's most certainly not guaranteed and is most certainly merit and competition based.
You have utterly no clue what you're talking about, or you're bitter that you got rejected or flunked out of the military.
1) Attract talent
2) Retain and develop talent
3) Meet moral obligations to those who served under arduous conditions, in combat, or were WIA.
This is the most ridiculous pile of BS I have ever seen on APC (and that says a lot). The military is not the civil service (or the airlines for that matter). Promotions are up-or-out, with difficult gateways at O4, O5, and O6+. And by difficult I mean in addition to the job itself being difficult, you have to perform that difficult job better than others. Don't promote? Off you go with no retirement unless you make at least O4 or O5 in some cases. Maybe 30% of officers make it to retirement eligibility, and it's most certainly not guaranteed and is most certainly merit and competition based.
You have utterly no clue what you're talking about, or you're bitter that you got rejected or flunked out of the military.
And speaking of moral obligations, why don't we insist we offer those same benefits to police and fire since the vast majority of them have equal if not more exposure to danger?
06-20-2018, 04:13 AM
#46
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2016
Posts: 303
Originally Posted by CBreezy
And speaking of moral obligations, why don't we insist we offer those same benefits to police and fire since the vast majority of them have equal if not more exposure to danger?
06-20-2018, 05:37 AM
#47
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: 767A (Ret)
Posts: 6,248
Originally Posted by CBreezy
And speaking of moral obligations, why don't we insist we offer those same benefits to police and fire since the vast majority of them have equal if not more exposure to danger?
06-20-2018, 06:01 AM
#48
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 516
Originally Posted by Blackhawk
Note I said large. Publix fits this, maybe on other mentioned. But I don’t know that the others would be termed large cap companies.
06-20-2018, 06:24 AM
#49
Banned
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Posts: 516
Originally Posted by Soxfan1
Oh boy....that comment should go over well
06-20-2018, 05:44 PM
#50
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,261
Originally Posted by CBreezy
It's been awhile, hasn't it. O4 doesn't have to meet a board anymore. Barring a DUI, promotion rate to O4 is around 95%. You know, highly unlikely haha.
And speaking of moral obligations, why don't we insist we offer those same benefits to police and fire since the vast majority of them have equal if not more exposure to danger?
And speaking of moral obligations, why don't we insist we offer those same benefits to police and fire since the vast majority of them have equal if not more exposure to danger?
The only way O4 would get anywhere near 95% would be in a really crappy MOS with a really good economy.
Cops and firefighters generally get pretty good pensions while still young. They can quit any time they choose, and get to go home at the end of each shift.. all they need is a HS diploma. They don't need Masters degrees in policy or computer science, nor would they want them. I think they have a pretty good deal, and where I live it's very competitive to get hired... so other people think so too.
Doesn't change the fact that you are totally misrepresenting the facts.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
