How many is excessive?
02-07-2019, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by watch
What “manuevers” do you do if not even steep turns?
02-08-2019, 01:19 PM
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I haven’t heard before of a program where basic ATP maneuvers aren’t part of the AQP, but I guess that could be the case. V1 cuts aren’t part of the day to day 121 flying but they are still usually something that is tested. You don’t normally do stall recovery as well, but that is also part of most training programs.
02-10-2019, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
I haven’t heard before of a program where basic ATP maneuvers aren’t part of the AQP, but I guess that could be the case. V1 cuts aren’t part of the day to day 121 flying but they are still usually something that is tested. You don’t normally do stall recovery as well, but that is also part of most training programs.
02-15-2019, 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Punkpilot48
You aren’t tested on stalls on the airbus at some airlines.
02-15-2019, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
I’m not sure how that is possible as it’s a requirement of 121.419. Sounds like another Colgan 3407 looking for a place to happen.
It’s a check the box item in training. The plane doesn’t stall. You have to have multiple system failures before it can happen. No stalls in any of the 3 validation rides.
02-15-2019, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Punkpilot48
United airlines. Hardly the next colgan.
It’s a check the box item in training. The plane doesn’t stall. You have to have multiple system failures before it can happen. No stalls in any of the 3 validation rides.
It’s a check the box item in training. The plane doesn’t stall. You have to have multiple system failures before it can happen. No stalls in any of the 3 validation rides.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
I’m not attacking UAL or their training, everyone I know that has gone through it says it’s exceptional. But the Airbus can stall, and it has happened.
02-15-2019, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CanWeGetTheLeft
Yeah, it’s not like there’s ever been a major accident with everyone killed because a modern airbus stalled.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
I’m not attacking UAL or their training, everyone I know that has gone through it says it’s exceptional. But the Airbus can stall, and it has happened.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_447
I’m not attacking UAL or their training, everyone I know that has gone through it says it’s exceptional. But the Airbus can stall, and it has happened.
02-16-2019, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Punkpilot48
United airlines. Hardly the next colgan.
It’s a check the box item in training. The plane doesn’t stall. You have to have multiple system failures before it can happen. No stalls in any of the 3 validation rides.
It’s a check the box item in training. The plane doesn’t stall. You have to have multiple system failures before it can happen. No stalls in any of the 3 validation rides.
Still, any airline can have an accident. Taking to friends who are in training departments at majors one of the things that scares them is the lack of breadth among many new hires. Many have never even been a PIC under 121.
02-16-2019, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk
I see now what you wrote. “Tested” and I assumed trained.
Still, any airline can have an accident. Taking to friends who are in training departments at majors one of the things that scares them is the lack of breadth among many new hires. Many have never even been a PIC under 121.
Still, any airline can have an accident. Taking to friends who are in training departments at majors one of the things that scares them is the lack of breadth among many new hires. Many have never even been a PIC under 121.
Such is life that they get preference over more qualified candidates.
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