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FICON633 05-02-2019 09:11 AM

SKW to mess up another carrier
 
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drywhitetoast 05-02-2019 09:25 AM

They're like locust. Moving on to next vegetation after XJT has been picked clean.

Blackhawk 05-02-2019 10:34 AM

Resistance is futile.

captive apple 05-02-2019 11:31 AM

Who was the locust?
 
Financials for the quarter have been posted and they show that express jet was indeed a money pit. Some of you enjoyed the day dream of skywest being evil and taking your profits. Instead the company you hated was subsidizing your jobs.

This is public information.
:eek:

flynd94 05-02-2019 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2813034)
Financials for the quarter have been posted and they show that express jet was indeed a money pit. Some of you enjoyed the day dream of skywest being evil and taking your profits. Instead the company you hated was subsidizing your jobs.

This is public information.
:eek:

Who negotiated all the CPA’s for Xjet? Who under bid Xjet? Who sold all of the ERJ spare parts? One answer SKW. I have no quarrels with the pilots, just mgmt.

This is all public information

captive apple 05-02-2019 02:22 PM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 2813043)
Who negotiated all the CPA’s for Xjet? Who under bid Xjet? Who sold all of the ERJ spare parts? One answer SKW. I have no quarrels with the pilots, just mgmt.

This is all public information

That public information shows the last time you made money was 2006, which is probably when you were learning to play the recorder. Skywest didn't put in a bid for Express until 2008 and didn't succeed in taking control until 2010. St. George should be the patron saint of those who can't get hired elsewhere.

Most people want to put the blame somewhere. I get it.
13 years of money losing flying doesn't happen unless you are bankrolled.

Blackhawk 05-02-2019 02:29 PM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2813127)
That public information shows the last time you made money was 2006, which is probably when you were learning to play the recorder. Skywest didn't put in a bid for Express until 2008 and didn't succeed in taking control until 2010. St. George should be the patron saint of those who can't get hired elsewhere.

Most people want to put the blame somewhere. I get it.
13 years of money losing flying doesn't happen unless you are bankrolled.

ASA was making money and was used to make the purchase.

skyemiles2 05-02-2019 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2813127)
St. George should be the patron saint of those who can't get hired elsewhere.

Most people want to put the blame somewhere. I get it.
13 years of money losing flying doesn't happen unless you are bankrolled.

I’m sure SkyWest did everything possible to make ExpressJet flourish.

PhantomHawk 05-02-2019 03:27 PM

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Fourpaw 05-02-2019 03:42 PM

I still don’t understand how people can go to work for a company that is the industry dirt bag. Literally, this place is the Walmart of carriers, moving onto every street corner thriving by driving down wages and kicking out all others along the way.

I can’t even look at these guys in the face anymore, they are such a disgrace to this entire industry.

Oh but wait, they have West Coast basing....

mercys ghost 05-02-2019 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 2813191)
I still don’t understand how people can go to work for a company that is the industry dirt bag. Literally, this place is the Walmart of carriers, moving onto every street corner thriving by driving down wages and kicking out all others along the way.

I can’t even look at these guys in the face anymore, they are such a disgrace to this entire industry.

Oh but wait, they have West Coast basing....


You use terms like "this place" and "they"...who exactly do you work for? You work for SkyWest or Xjet? You seem confused.

Fourpaw 05-02-2019 04:03 PM


Originally Posted by mercys ghost (Post 2813198)
You use terms like "this place" and "they"...who exactly do you work for? You work for SkyWest or Xjet? You seem confused.

No confusion, all references are for Skybest.

mercys ghost 05-02-2019 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 2813206)
No confusion, all references are for Skybest.


Wow, you even more confused than I originally thought. Considering that wasn't even remotely what I asked, as it was obvious where your comments were directed. Let's try again, which carrier do you work for?

Fourpaw 05-02-2019 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by mercys ghost (Post 2813217)
Wow, you even more confused than I originally thought. Considering that wasn't even remotely what I asked, as it was obvious where your comments were directed. Let's try again, which carrier do you work for?

I was actually going to give you the time of a well thought out reply but then realized I would be wasting my time arguing with a middled aged man who spends his time complaining in every thread they post in.

Enjoy your misery, Dad.

mercys ghost 05-02-2019 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 2813227)
I was actually going to give you the time of a well thought out reply but then realized I would be wasting my time arguing with a middled aged man who spends his time complaining in every thread they post in.

Enjoy your misery, Dad.


Yea, just what I thought.

Nevjets 05-02-2019 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2813127)
That public information shows the last time you made money was 2006, which is probably when you were learning to play the recorder. Skywest didn't put in a bid for Express until 2008 and didn't succeed in taking control until 2010. St. George should be the patron saint of those who can't get hired elsewhere.



Most people want to put the blame somewhere. I get it.

13 years of money losing flying doesn't happen unless you are bankrolled.


The last profitable quarter was 1st qtr 2007. That’s when CAL lost the CPA rate reset arbitration, again. So they decided to play hardball since they couldn’t convince a neutral arbitrator to give them what they wanted (Skywest rates). CAL announced they were withdrawing 69 EMB145s from XJT. So XJT exercised their first right of refusal and kept all 69 of them by paying 2% extra on the leas rates. Expressjet branded flying was born and then came the hemorrhage of money for the next 18 months. In comes Skywest with their low ball CPA offer. CAL threatened xjt management they would pull ALL flying within 12 months unless they provided CAL rates that are on par to Skywest’s CPA they negotiated. Of course that was with the assumption that Skywest would buy xjt and force 16% concessions (among other things such as deleting the scope letter) in order to bring pilot costs to same level as Skywest’s. The xjt MEC refuses to give concessions, the deal fell through, xjt management capitulated and signed Skywest’s CPA. Branded was folded, saving millions in costs but the unprofitable Skywest CPA still led to losses. Xjt management chipped away by winning CPAs with united and USair until Skywest came back and bought xjt, keeping the USair flying for themselves. Xjt continued to lose money under the CPA Skywest negotiated in 2008 and beyond until they sold them a few months ago. It was literally 10 years and one quarter of loses due because of Skywest.

Has new rates been negotiated for the 145 CPA? Or is xjt still operating under what Skywest negotiated?

PhantomHawk 05-02-2019 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by mercys ghost (Post 2813230)
Yea, just what I thought.

It’s pretty easy, with literally 30 seconds of effort, to see that he works for Endeavor. And will probably continue to do so.

mercys ghost 05-03-2019 04:29 AM


Originally Posted by PhantomHawk (Post 2813270)
It’s pretty easy, with literally 30 seconds of effort, to see that he works for Endeavor. And will probably continue to do so.


Well, that is quite a nice little twist. Guess that may explain why he clammed up when presented with the question.

ICUROOK 05-03-2019 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 2813191)
I still don’t understand how people can go to work for a company that is the industry dirt bag. Literally, this place is the Walmart of carriers, moving onto every street corner thriving by driving down wages and kicking out all others along the way.

I can’t even look at these guys in the face anymore, they are such a disgrace to this entire industry.

Oh but wait, they have West Coast basing....

Hey now, that's no way to speak to mainline pilots.

Blackhawk 05-03-2019 07:52 AM

"It doesn't matter how we got here."

JuniorFO 05-03-2019 09:18 AM

Smart move by SkyWest. This is strictly a pilot recruiting move. Applicants can skip instructing and go straight to flying the Caravan with low time then move over to SkyWest.

rickair7777 05-03-2019 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Fourpaw (Post 2813191)

Oh but wait, they have West Coast basing....

That's worth about $300k/year to me, to avoid being based in any of the usual eastern toilets.

Melit 05-05-2019 05:48 PM

You guys are so bitter. Nobody wants to own you. You keep getting sold now ManAir owns you! Nice pic on the website. Who is the two guys with the thumbs up in the 175?

Erj135dude 05-05-2019 05:49 PM

Thank god you are not a bitter person.

Melit 05-05-2019 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Erj135dude (Post 2814925)
Thank god you are not a bitter person.

Oh boy the cheerleader again

Meow1215 05-05-2019 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by Melit (Post 2814921)
You guys are so bitter. Nobody wants to own you. You keep getting sold now ManAir owns you! Nice pic on the website. Who is the two guys with the thumbs up in the 175?

Back from your safe space are you?

Well welcome back, we will all be sure to try and not offend your delicate senses.

701EV 05-05-2019 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by captive apple (Post 2813034)
Financials for the quarter have been posted and they show that express jet was indeed a money pit. Some of you enjoyed the day dream of skywest being evil and taking your profits. Instead the company you hated was subsidizing your jobs.

This is public information.
:eek:

CA, WOW, they got you hook line and sinker.

You do know tomorrow skywest inc could buy another company and turn skywest airlines into a money pit.

701EV:eek:

Melit 05-06-2019 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by 701EV (Post 2814970)
CA, WOW, they got you hook line and sinker.

You do know tomorrow skywest inc could buy another company and turn skywest airlines into a money pit.

701EV:eek:

WOW did you just read what you typed? Why do you think XJET keeps getting sold? Nobody wants to own you. OO had buyers remorse!


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