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Old 09-20-2019, 02:11 PM
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I’m all for it, I’ve followed XJT for a while and as a newbie I’ll support the MEC. Most of what I was told by the recruiters a few months ago hasn’t panned out.


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Old 09-20-2019, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by RoyerYetlink View Post
Frontier sent out similar postcards. Their campaign worked. They got an improved contract. Is their MEC “jokers?”
Apples to oranges. Frontier sells their own tickets and doesn’t compete with anybody based on cost.
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I'm not an expert; is there another airline in the industry with four labor unions antagonistic towards their company and asking for renegotiation? Pilots, FAs, mechanics, and dispatchers.
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Originally Posted by RoyerYetlink View Post
Frontier sent out similar postcards. Their campaign worked. They got an improved contract. Is their MEC “jokers?”
Like PH stated F9 sells their owns tickets, what does Xjet sell? I will tell you what they sell... nothing. Regionals are staffing agencies/subcontractors. Become to expensive/want to much and someone else will do your job for a little less and a quicker upgrade.

Now I am not saying accept crap pay/work rules but be conscious of how much you push the envelope. Yes the new mgmt team at Xjet hasn’t held up their end of the bargain. The union should went for more binding language to force them to negotiate
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Originally Posted by flynd94 View Post
Like PH stated F9 sells their owns tickets, what does Xjet sell? I will tell you what they sell... nothing. Regionals are staffing agencies/subcontractors. Become to expensive/want to much and someone else will do your job for a little less and a quicker upgrade.

Now I am not saying accept crap pay/work rules but be conscious of how much you push the envelope. Yes the new mgmt team at Xjet hasn’t held up their end of the bargain. The union should went for more binding language to force them to negotiate
I agree wholeheartedly with you and PH, apples and oranges. We sell nothing. But what we are asking for is to be brought inline with the regional industry. A rising tide raises all ships, yet we seem to be a submarine maintaining periscope depth.
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Old 09-21-2019, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by THE JUDGE View Post
Fair enough. So help us all understand.

How does this strategy of less pilots and worse performance convince United to give us more flying?

Are we missing the goal?

Is the local Alpa leadership simply waiting for XJT to go out of business?

A lot of us aren’t seeing path to success following the current course.

Please show or tell us how we win by following the MEC blindly down this path?
Ok, I'll bite.
Management does management stuff. You know, like keeping their employees happy with good pay and benefits. Management is responsible for growth, not pilots.
Pretty simple really. All of you rocket surgeons who think pilots are responsible for growth think too highly of yourselves.
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Old 09-22-2019, 04:01 PM
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All of you rocket surgeons who think pilots are responsible for growth think too highly of yourselves.
It's not that.

It's that of the employees that are required to get a plane off the ground, we are probably the longest lead time to get qualified and I'm certain it's the most expensive. (Be interesting to show cost of training/return on investment for the following four fields.)

Considering the above list of FA, mech, dispatch, pilot.

So, you have to have a steady pipeline with a long lead time and it's expensive and the training is paid for by the employee up to the time of hiring.

Dispatch: 2 week course.
FA: 6 weeks? (Don't recall.)
Mechanic: 24-30 months, can be done 100% as apprentice program I believe?
Pilot: 2 years min (1250 hrs/Associates. Aside from military but the only ones we could get inside of 10 years is Guard/Reserve. A limited supply.)

It's not ego I don't think. State another employee type that takes more time/money to train.
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Old 09-22-2019, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf View Post
The company announced 30 open positions for CA then awarded 85!!

- sign of more planes? Why do we now have 225 ER7 CAs? 225/5= 45. That’s right, with this bid we are now preparing to staff 20 additional airframes. This is basically the big announcement!!

- no backfill was awarded with this bid. The company is now in the position of having to put out a 19-06 bid ASAP. 19-05 created around 80 CA vacancies. Combined with the vacancies due to attrition there should be well over 100 ERJ CA vacancies.

- with this many openings, the next CA awards will drop very close to the 18 month/1000 hr mark.



- while your buddies are still on reserve at SKW or END, you will be close to CA upgrade at XJT!!
DSPS, you've stated that you are a new hire at ExpressJet. Yet you seem to have your finger on the pulse of flight operations, recruiting, and our future. So, DSPS come clean are you really a new hire or someone from the GO? I don't have a problem if you're from the GO just be honest!

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Old 09-22-2019, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Arliss View Post
Bid 19-05 final award. Most junior E175 captain: December 2016. Chicago.

Literally shocked.

Actually there is a August 2016 hire who is on the E175 CA ORD list. He must've bypassed 19-04 and missed all that 145 CA EWR upgrading. Times are getting interesting
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Originally Posted by YANXJTPilot View Post
It's not that.

It's that of the employees that are required to get a plane off the ground, we are probably the longest lead time to get qualified and I'm certain it's the most expensive. (Be interesting to show cost of training/return on investment for the following four fields.)

Considering the above list of FA, mech, dispatch, pilot.

So, you have to have a steady pipeline with a long lead time and it's expensive and the training is paid for by the employee up to the time of hiring.

Dispatch: 2 week course.
FA: 6 weeks? (Don't recall.)
Mechanic: 24-30 months, can be done 100% as apprentice program I believe?
Pilot: 2 years min (1250 hrs/Associates. Aside from military but the only ones we could get inside of 10 years is Guard/Reserve. A limited supply.)

It's not ego I don't think. State another employee type that takes more time/money to train.
Please explain how the cost and time to train an XJT pilot has anything to do with managing growth, which is what I commented on...
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