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If you're able to manipulate your schedule correctly during ILIW and SLIW anything's possible.
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Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR
(Post 2960615)
So it’s between XJT, Mesa and Envoy since both those airlines also have Dallas bases closer to LBB? I wonder what their time to a line, upgrade and a line once upgraded is compared to XJT?
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Originally Posted by Flaps Full
(Post 2960635)
If you're able to manipulate your schedule correctly during ILIW and SLIW anything's possible.
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You're better off going to Envoy. DFW and flow to AA, plus its an easier commute. Don't worry so much about reserve and commuting. What's true today could be drastically different in 3 months. If you want to do airline flying, go for the base and advancement. Expect reserve and some commuting hiccups and you wont be disappointed. Life gets better with seniority and longevity. Having AA in your back pocket will be more important than you think.
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Originally Posted by Southern Fried
(Post 2960648)
You're better off going to Envoy. DFW and flow to AA, plus its an easier commute. Don't worry so much about reserve and commuting. What's true today could be drastically different in 3 months. If you want to do airline flying, go for the base and advancement. Expect reserve and some commuting hiccups and you wont be disappointed. Life gets better with seniority and longevity. Having AA in your back pocket will be more important than you think.
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Originally Posted by 2GoodEngines
(Post 2960557)
That’s great to hear. Sort of what I expected, and obviously no guarantees, but seems like with XJT now tasked with bringing as many 145’s online as possible, particularly in IAH, that would bode well for this scenario.
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Originally Posted by MacrossJet
(Post 2960678)
Where are they going to get all these 145's from?
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Originally Posted by 2GoodEngines
(Post 2960663)
Does Envoy have any sort of line improvement window or ability to massage the schedule after awarded? (I don't know the answer). Also, I think I've read that Envoy has about 30% reserve lines, meaning there's more time on reserve and overall less credited hours (on average) for everyone (line holders included). They also have forced upgrades at 1000 hrs. Under current conditions, that would make for probably at least a year of pretty heavy suck as an FO then probably a year or more of pretty heavy suck after upgrade. And I know, suck is relative, and like you said, can change on a dime, but seems like you might see an inordinate amount with Envoy vs. XJT. If the goal is to move on after, say, 4 years, that's 50% suck time, vs. maybe only 25% at a place that can get you out and on the line much more quickly. It's all a crapshoot anyway. And of course I reserve the right to be completely wrong (I usually am).
If your goal is Spirit either of these places will get you your time and allow you to move on. Problem is that IAH is still very difficult to get a CA line. Your suck will not be fun here for a while either. Most junior line holder on the CA side is over 14 yrs in IAH. That number should come down a bit but it won’t be anything close to the others anytime soon. The flow at Envoy is crucial here since all the senior captains come off the list and allow you a line and better quality of life sooner as a consequence. How long does it take to get a CA line at Mesa, Skywest and Envoy? |
Originally Posted by Cessna182TypeR
(Post 2960680)
This is very true and the flow won’t do much for you at 47 as far as getting to AA. By the time your number is called you’ll be too late to the party there.
If your goal is Spirit either of these places will get you your time and allow you to move on. Problem is that IAH is still very difficult to get a CA line. Your suck will not be fun here for a while either. Most junior line holder on the CA side is over 14 yrs in IAH. That number should come down a bit but it won’t be anything close to the others anytime soon. The flow at Envoy is crucial here since all the senior captains come off the list and allow you a line and better quality of life sooner as a consequence. How long does it take to get a CA line at Mesa, Skywest and Envoy? |
Originally Posted by 2GoodEngines
(Post 2960705)
14 years!!! Holy Lord! I assume there was a hiring gap that accounts for a lot of that, but that's pretty significant. Would also be curious how long CA lines take at those other three. Anybody have the number to that truck driving school? Truck Masters I think it is? :-)
The 14 year deal will come down dramatically. About a year ago the upgrade at XJT regardless of base was close to 10 years. Now it’s under 1. If there is enough hiring for fleet growth the lineholder time will come down as well. Especially with the hiring from the majors on the horizon. |
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