Itsajob

You are right about Mesa getting a bad rap for lower pay and rules, but the jumpseat remark is absolute garbage. Their pilots are just as safe as XJT. A friend of mine got his job at XJT with nothing more than a Skype interview. Several XJT LCA’s have told me that it wasn’t uncommon to have to give their new hires 100 hours of IOE because the company was basically taking who they could get, and even then, they couldn’t fill a class. I have been commuting for a long time and most of my flights were either XJT or Mesa. I have seen zero difference in the professionalism or ability between the crews. There is an attitude that I have noticed among a significant percentage of XJT pilots who think that they are a cut above Mesa or any other regional. You are not. The same goes for United pilots. They are not a cut above others either, but some in he group think that they are

point80

While you first paragraph was thought out and informative the rest of your 2 cents is nothing more than opinionated garbage.

To address your first paragraph. I agree JO is a scumbag and I’ve said it on previous posts. But he is a scumbag that outmaneuvered your CEO for the 175 shipment. As far as the 737s are concerned, the reason it hasnt been announced is bc their are still is no contract between the pilot group and the company so the FAA had yet to approve it. Can’t announce something that isnt approved. But, the initial cadre group is suppose to start training in June and the company already owns 4 737s sitting up in CVG.

As far as the lawsuit, its an investment firm that claims JO withheld information during the IPO. The claim states that he withheld information regarding the maintenance of the crj900 fleet in DAL. If you knew anything about that situation you would know that when Mesa moved from CLT to DAL at AAs request, AA promised to cover a portion of the maintenance. They used Envoy to do our maintenance in DAL. Envoy not liking the fact Mesa moved into their house purposefully undermined Mesa abilities to operate. (it’s also a pretty tired fleet) There is also a lawsuit between Mesa and Envoy for their mechanics damaging several planes on purpose and a fuel truck slamming into 2 more. Now in saying all that, JO is a scumbag and probably withheld information. Lol. But even with that as of Nov of 2019 the stock was over $9 and in July 2019 was over $10. The only reason its down to $3 now is bc covid. The investment firm is just trying to save their own ass for stupid investing on their clients behalf.

Now to address the garbage portion of your statement. I actually know of a couple pilots at xjt that couldnt cut it at Mesa. 2 of which were let go for failure to complete the HIMS program. And there are several guys who couldnt cut it at xjt at mesa. So to make claims that either pilot group is superior in anyway is ridiculous. Nothing I have stated ever was designed to knock your pilot group.

As far as the B crewroom thing. I never heard of anyone doing the things your claiming. Not saying it didnt happen, but to judge an entire pilot group for one or two peoples actions is crazy. Every pilot group has bad apples. Just look at the RPA pilot that beat up his gf on the jet bridge. Are you going to go around and claim their whole Republic pilot group has anger problems.

Now when I was using the term shareholders I was referring to UA and ManaAir. That was my failure for not using the right terminology even though it seemed everyone else knew what I was talking about. But, I will try to be more specific for you next time. And what I said still stands. They would need to give up equity to the government and take out over a $40 million loan bc they cant offer stock warrants.

Your jumpseat comment was the dumbest thing Ive read. First off, you're not allowed in the jumpseat if there is a seat in the back its in violation of the GOM. For someone who claims to have been around as long as they have you seem to know very little. Secondly, Ive jumseated on xjt flights and most of the crews are pretty cool but I fail to see any difference in skill or professionalism that you claim.

My whole point on my previous statement was just an explanation on why Mesa is better positioned than XJT. And to make it simple for you its bc we actually got the Cares Act, we have assets, we fly better planes, currently have better bases bc covid areas, carry for 2 carriers instead of 1, and are cheaper for mainline to use. Things that people should take into consideration outside of pay when choosing a regional. Bc lets be honest there isnt that as much difference as you claim between any regional. Unless your a lifer, than I just feel sorry for you.

BRJPilot

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Blah, bla, bla.....dude, it's still Mesa. Anyone who has been in the industry more than a week knows what that means!

Itsajob

Mesa has never been the best paying gig out there, but deciding to go there doesn’t mean that you are settling or that you are weak with no other options. Pre-covid19 their pay was about the same for flying the 175 as that at XJT for flying the 145, and they had quicker upgrades which meant more money. I remember being in the jumpseat having a 5 year XJT first talking about how a guy that he knew had gone to Mesa and upgraded in 2 years. He made the comment that he may be a captain, but he’s still at Mesa. When I mentioned that his friend was making $25-30/hr more, logging PIC, flying hard, and making himself much more marketable to a legacy, he didn’t have much of a response. Now even with the benefit of hindsight, people working for a company that exclusively operate a fleet that is on the chopping block continue to look down on a group that will most likely come out of this in much better shape. If your goal was to build a quality resume as fast as you can so that you would be competitive elsewhere, Mesa would have gotten you there faster than XJT. If Mesa recalls furloughed pilots and resumes hiring first, furloughed XJT pilots will be lined up around the block trying to get hired.

XJTFO

Mesa's pay is drastically lower. $4 per hour x 1000 = $4,000
$2500 x4 - $10,000

$14,000 per year less is a lot of money. As a new hire on the 175 at XJT I was having no problem crediting 110-120 hours per month with a little extra effort and some ROE pick ups. Work rules/hotels at XJT are better. As far as pilot skill, all is the same. I have flown with some of the most wonderful captains at XJT and a very small handful of real pieces of garbage. Nasty attitudes Either way Mesa has a great pilot group and their company has offered tremendous stability but the cost is pay. Upgrade times at XJT before this whole mess started had dropped to nada on the 145 and only a few years on the 175.

HulkaBurger

Classic. A ****ing contest over who is "better", Mesa or ExpessJet.🤣

Tilem

LoL, you know talking ill about Mesa is sure to bring in my boy Melit right?

It triggers him, poor thing.

afterburn81

Dang. That escalated quickly. My original post was pointing out the fact that “purchased” and “placed an order through financing” are two different things. You can’t return a car you’ve driven off the lot without penalty. However, you can cancel an order that hasn’t even been paid for. Companies do it ALL time.

Somehow this turned into an insult towards MESA as a company. But hey, United and American are somehow funneling passengers to MESA jets exclusively and paying higher fees since there are more people on MESAs airplanes. Which is not how it works....but ok.

Sorry for slinging mud. I guess...

StuckOnReserve

Not sure which one is better or not. After both are still regional airlines.

However in terms FFD flying for United Airlines, Mesa is definitely in a better position. They have something to fly if the 50 seaters get parked.

point80

You honestly didnt sling mud. You stated you prospective on why Mesa might back out of the order. And then I said why they wouldnt. In no way did you insult the pilot group. Maybe the company, but thats fine. Everyone talks **** about Mesa. RPA guys are the worst. But, your boy Delag decided to insult an entire pilot group. Talking about how xjt pilots are more professional, better pilots, smarter, dont steal, blah blah blah.... You’re good..

My whole point was is that at Mesa the 175 order isnt going anywhere. Even though they could back out of the order at anytime. As of right now, the plan is still to take them on for the previously stated reasons. Which if anyone wants to go back and read the thread they can.