175's are done
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Mesa's pay is drastically lower. $4 per hour x 1000 = $4,000
$2500 x4 - $10,000
$14,000 per year less is a lot of money. As a new hire on the 175 at XJT I was having no problem crediting 110-120 hours per month with a little extra effort and some ROE pick ups. Work rules/hotels at XJT are better. As far as pilot skill, all is the same. I have flown with some of the most wonderful captains at XJT and a very small handful of real pieces of garbage. Nasty attitudes Either way Mesa has a great pilot group and their company has offered tremendous stability but the cost is pay. Upgrade times at XJT before this whole mess started had dropped to nada on the 145 and only a few years on the 175.
$2500 x4 - $10,000
$14,000 per year less is a lot of money. As a new hire on the 175 at XJT I was having no problem crediting 110-120 hours per month with a little extra effort and some ROE pick ups. Work rules/hotels at XJT are better. As far as pilot skill, all is the same. I have flown with some of the most wonderful captains at XJT and a very small handful of real pieces of garbage. Nasty attitudes Either way Mesa has a great pilot group and their company has offered tremendous stability but the cost is pay. Upgrade times at XJT before this whole mess started had dropped to nada on the 145 and only a few years on the 175.
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Bravo, I think it's hard for other airlines pilots to see that we are hurting but in a better position right now. We are considered the bottom of the barrel for whatever odd reason, but yet internally we are pushing forward with certainty, unlike other regionals who are supposed to be superior.
They don't get our emails indicating we are just fine, bruised but fine. I'm sure I'll get the hate speech: No degree, washout, or some other negative response that is not true because I chose Mesa. I looked at XJT and Endeavor both were higher paying jobs at the time, reserve was in my future at both companies till I died. I chose Mesa because I got a line immediately and the culture was awesome. XJT commute and Jumpseat on my flights all the time. They are always welcome here, I like them. We shoot the sheeeet and talk about how bad our companies are. If Mesa goes under and they are around I would hope they would have me. I know most of pilot group would welcome them as well.
I think we both will be here. I know we both will be different after this clears up.
They don't get our emails indicating we are just fine, bruised but fine. I'm sure I'll get the hate speech: No degree, washout, or some other negative response that is not true because I chose Mesa. I looked at XJT and Endeavor both were higher paying jobs at the time, reserve was in my future at both companies till I died. I chose Mesa because I got a line immediately and the culture was awesome. XJT commute and Jumpseat on my flights all the time. They are always welcome here, I like them. We shoot the sheeeet and talk about how bad our companies are. If Mesa goes under and they are around I would hope they would have me. I know most of pilot group would welcome them as well.
I think we both will be here. I know we both will be different after this clears up.
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Now to what you posted that header says what: "Air Line Pilots Association, International" These group of people do what. They are the Union that represents a wonderful pilot group that work under UA management. Their purpose; to negotiate wages, work rules, and job protections. They have NO SAY in where aircraft go when it comes to FFD companies. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing trying to protect their work group. I am onboard with that.
Now back to UA management. It will cost a lot of money to train and pay UA mainline pilots to fly the beloved E-175 plus it will cost them a fortune to breach the contracts with their respected sharecode partners. Now it could happen, who knows. If you were a business man. What would you do? Work with the Union and try to get jobs back to your employees knowing it will cost you big time, OR keep the cheap labor around that represents your brand and produces the desired outcome which is make money and be profitable. I expect their union to come up with all types of ideas that's what they are paid to do. I look at the endgame. UA management runs this show and my job, your job and the beloved union's job rest in UA managements hands.
My position as of right now? I'm betting on management saving money and as much as no mainliner wants to hear this. It's always about profits in the endgame not about whose jobs gets saved or who flies what. UA management does not care who flies what. They care about money, profits, shareholders, ect. They don't care who flies the 175 with their logo on the side. The unions want you to think that UA management cares, they don't. Those are union deceptions, mine included.
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Now whats being said in Mesa management is that AA is renewing the contract but Mesa can expect a fleet reduction of 3-5 planes.
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