CARES Act End Run
#201
most pilots state that 18-24 months is the minimum time to make a furlough "worth it" when you consider training costs. That's for the most senior furloughed pilot. The most junior could be 5+ years based on that.
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This might be true at mainline where multiple fleet types are flown and one furlough could cause 2 or 3 trickle down training events. But, at a single fleet type airline I find it hard to believe your 18-24mo timeline.
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The thing that’s hard to determine when trying to predict furlough duration at a regional is what the parent company plans to do with the company in the long run. A temporary reduction in size will have a different furlough duration than a permanent reduction. How United is structured after this is over is far from determined at this point.
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It looks like Expressjet is planning to move quite a number of people from the left seat to the right seat, and rather quickly too. How is that not a reduction in pay rate? Semantics maybe, but it certainly doesn't meet the intent of the payroll protection stipulation contained within the act, does it? Are any other airlines doing this before October?
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Please cite or post the source where the "intent of the payroll protection" provision details that displacements, without an hourly rate reduction for the category held, are prohibited. Were you there with all the airlines' senior management negotiating the provisions? No, I didn't think so.
In my opinion, that seems to go against the spirit of the law and why it was written. I would also add that furloughing pilots in the middle of IOE, because they technically were "pilot trainees," also betrays the spirit of the law that was passed to protect jobs. Before I came to XJT, I also had a job offer from Skywest. I came to XJT because I thought it was a better company than skywest and for the union protections. Looks like I made the wrong decision, because Skywest pilot trainees have not been furloughed.
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He's talking about the intent of the law, rather than the specifics which allowed for displacement and whatever loophole the company lawyers found. When Congress allocated billions of dollars to protect jobs at the airlines, it included requirements that pay rates cannot be cut in the CBA as a stipulation for airlines receiving assistance. Displacement, while not technically a pay cut as far as the CBA goes, is nevertheless functionally a pay cut for those who have been displaced. It has nothing to do with being privy to the machinations of senior management, but everything to do with being a concerned taxpayer who dislikes when companies accept public help while defying the intent for that help. He's not claiming inside knowledge, just flabbergasted that a company can act so dishonorably when receiving public aid.
In my opinion, that seems to go against the spirit of the law and why it was written. I would also add that furloughing pilots in the middle of IOE, because they technically were "pilot trainees," also betrays the spirit of the law that was passed to protect jobs. Before I came to XJT, I also had a job offer from Skywest. I came to XJT because I thought it was a better company than skywest and for the union protections. Looks like I made the wrong decision, because Skywest pilot trainees have not been furloughed.
In my opinion, that seems to go against the spirit of the law and why it was written. I would also add that furloughing pilots in the middle of IOE, because they technically were "pilot trainees," also betrays the spirit of the law that was passed to protect jobs. Before I came to XJT, I also had a job offer from Skywest. I came to XJT because I thought it was a better company than skywest and for the union protections. Looks like I made the wrong decision, because Skywest pilot trainees have not been furloughed.
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